ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!)

E_Dawg · June 14th, 2007, 13:32

From an AIM conversation:

"...for little things like this... helpin you out when youre in the ####

they're awesome

if I were at a nonunion carrier I'd probably have gotten a certificate suspension, violation, and maybe lost my job

here I got some stupid letter in my file that doesnt do anything but say "yeah it happened and the case is closed"

all because of ALPA"

GaTechKid · June 14th, 2007, 13:52

I've had to file an ASAP as well.

E_Dawg · June 14th, 2007, 14:31

At your current or previous company? How has it worked out for you?

GaTechKid · June 14th, 2007, 18:45

Current. I haven't heard anything from it. Watch out for American mechanics repo'ing though.

Seggy · June 14th, 2007, 19:15

Kyle you are a good dude and know you are a stand up guy but lets take this a little further...

Say you are on an overnight and a coworker accuses you of sexual harassment. COMPLETELY MADE UP ACCUSATION. Who do you have to turn to? Do you have a lawyer on retainer to sit in with you when the company comes and questions you about it? Do you know what your legal rights would be? What you have to and don't have to tell the company? What do you tell your wife?

Just because they handle it one way with one worker doesn't mean they will handle it the same way with you. With ALPA representation you just pick up the phone and call. They protect you in a situation like that.

With one of our informational sessions we met and ASA guy who had his career and life saved by ALPA because of a false accusation much like that. Make a long story short he sued the accuser for slander and won. He said there was no way he could have protected himself going it alone without the help and support of ALPA.

He is also is no longer at ASA (when I met him it was his last trip), he is at a legacy that quite a few members of this board fly for. Without ALPA there he would have been out on the street.

If this guy could be accused of something like that ANYONE can. Be protected.

higney85 · June 14th, 2007, 19:16

ASAP reports happen- nobody is perfect. As a matter of fact a CA and I took off last winter and realized we were in a "grey area" of the rules in doing so (after further review of company policies/procedures and FAA materials- neither one really described the situation). We filled out an ASAP report and heard nothing back- a week or so later we had a revision that covered the exact situation and took out the "grey area". Remember- most of the regs are from people either screwing up, or the previous verbage being too unclear. So don't fret over an ASAP- better to admit you are wrong after nothing happened in the negative sense and help others in the future instead of someone getting hurt or killed because you didn't speak up and help others learn from your mistakes... And ALPA is there for the pilots- everyone is a team whether its a delta crew or a united crew, an ASAP report will just highlight a mistake and ALPA will make sure it is used in the positive light.

GaTechKid · June 14th, 2007, 19:59

Point taken. It's funny you used that example though, because next year my wife will be my lawyer! -and specialized in labor law to boot.

amorris311 · June 14th, 2007, 20:08

you are a lucky man!!!!

BobDDuck · June 14th, 2007, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by higney85

ASAP reports happen- nobody is perfect. As a matter of fact a CA and I took off last winter and realized we were in a "grey area" of the rules in doing so (after further review of company policies/procedures and FAA materials- neither one really described the situation).

Wouldn't have happened to be ice pellets?

higney85 · June 15th, 2007, 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Wouldn't have happened to be ice pellets?

reports are anonymous...

But it did involve winter ops..

BobDDuck · June 15th, 2007, 23:55

We grounded ourselves in DCA once night due to -PL in the ATIS. Dispatch wasn't even sure if we could go and it wasn't covered in any of our manuals. By the time we decided we could go it had turned to +PLSNFZ so we bailed on that idea and went to the hotel. About a week later there was a note in the DRS that said we COULD go as long as it was only -PL and no other form of precip.

Airdale · June 21st, 2007, 16:47

I've had to file an ASAP already too. I won't discuss any details, but simply put - it was a stupid reason to have to file one, which had nothing to do with either the Capt. or myself and everything to do with maintenance. Needless to say, I strongly worded my end of the report and the case was immediately closed as they knew that I knew how to play the government deal.

You can learn a lot dealing with the Feds for 4 yrs as a Fed. Officer.

Pilot877 · June 21st, 2007, 21:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by E_Dawg

From an AIM conversation:

"...for little things like this... helpin you out when youre in the ####

they're awesome

if I were at a nonunion carrier I'd probably have gotten a certificate suspension, violation, and maybe lost my job

here I got some stupid letter in my file that doesnt do anything but say "yeah it happened and the case is closed"

all because of ALPA"

I had a similar experience, once.

June 14th, 2007, 13:32	#1
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,170	ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) From an AIM conversation: "...for little things like this... helpin you out when youre in the #### they're awesome if I were at a nonunion carrier I'd probably have gotten a certificate suspension, violation, and maybe lost my job here I got some stupid letter in my file that doesnt do anything but say "yeah it happened and the case is closed" all because of ALPA" __________________ Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

June 14th, 2007, 13:52	#2
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,883	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) I've had to file an ASAP as well. __________________ "I'd rather screw my way around the country then blow my way around..." - Saab 340 Driver

June 14th, 2007, 14:31	#3
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,170	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) At your current or previous company? How has it worked out for you? __________________ Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

June 14th, 2007, 18:45	#4
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,883	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) Current. I haven't heard anything from it. Watch out for American mechanics repo'ing though. __________________ "I'd rather screw my way around the country then blow my way around..." - Saab 340 Driver

June 14th, 2007, 19:15	#5
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,110	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) Kyle you are a good dude and know you are a stand up guy but lets take this a little further... Say you are on an overnight and a coworker accuses you of sexual harassment. COMPLETELY MADE UP ACCUSATION. Who do you have to turn to? Do you have a lawyer on retainer to sit in with you when the company comes and questions you about it? Do you know what your legal rights would be? What you have to and don't have to tell the company? What do you tell your wife? Just because they handle it one way with one worker doesn't mean they will handle it the same way with you. With ALPA representation you just pick up the phone and call. They protect you in a situation like that. With one of our informational sessions we met and ASA guy who had his career and life saved by ALPA because of a false accusation much like that. Make a long story short he sued the accuser for slander and won. He said there was no way he could have protected himself going it alone without the help and support of ALPA. He is also is no longer at ASA (when I met him it was his last trip), he is at a legacy that quite a few members of this board fly for. Without ALPA there he would have been out on the street. If this guy could be accused of something like that ANYONE can. Be protected. __________________ www.alpa.org

June 14th, 2007, 19:16	#6
higney85 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 494	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) ASAP reports happen- nobody is perfect. As a matter of fact a CA and I took off last winter and realized we were in a "grey area" of the rules in doing so (after further review of company policies/procedures and FAA materials- neither one really described the situation). We filled out an ASAP report and heard nothing back- a week or so later we had a revision that covered the exact situation and took out the "grey area". Remember- most of the regs are from people either screwing up, or the previous verbage being too unclear. So don't fret over an ASAP- better to admit you are wrong after nothing happened in the negative sense and help others in the future instead of someone getting hurt or killed because you didn't speak up and help others learn from your mistakes... And ALPA is there for the pilots- everyone is a team whether its a delta crew or a united crew, an ASAP report will just highlight a mistake and ALPA will make sure it is used in the positive light.

June 14th, 2007, 19:59	#7
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,883	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) Point taken. It's funny you used that example though, because next year my wife will be my lawyer! -and specialized in labor law to boot. __________________ "I'd rather screw my way around the country then blow my way around..." - Saab 340 Driver

June 14th, 2007, 20:08	#8
amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,484	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) you are a lucky man!!!!

June 15th, 2007, 23:55	#11
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,555	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) We grounded ourselves in DCA once night due to -PL in the ATIS. Dispatch wasn't even sure if we could go and it wasn't covered in any of our manuals. By the time we decided we could go it had turned to +PLSNFZ so we bailed on that idea and went to the hotel. About a week later there was a note in the DRS that said we COULD go as long as it was only -PL and no other form of precip. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

June 21st, 2007, 16:47	#12
Airdale Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dirty Jerzey Posts: 2,087	Re: ALPA is protection! (doesnt have to be pilots vs mgmt!) I've had to file an ASAP already too. I won't discuss any details, but simply put - it was a stupid reason to have to file one, which had nothing to do with either the Capt. or myself and everything to do with maintenance. Needless to say, I strongly worded my end of the report and the case was immediately closed as they knew that I knew how to play the government deal. You can learn a lot dealing with the Feds for 4 yrs as a Fed. Officer.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode