Delta, Dual Cue or Delta FD's?

[FSIPILOT]

Maybe a question best suited for Doug.

I've always used either by default or option the Delta Bar flight director. However on our 757/767's the only flight director available is Dual Cue. Just wondering if it was an option or if all 757/767's were that way, does Delta Airlines not have Delta Bar FD's?

[Doug Taylor]

I think it depends on the operator, but we use "dual cues". It took a while to get used to but I prefer them over the vee-bars. That way, if you're not receiving decent pitch or roll commands (depending on your phase of flight or if you're in the transition from takeoff to initial climb) you can at least follow the reliable command.

It's weird at first, but nicer (in my opinion) once you learn to use it.

Strange, the 737-200's and 300's had the vee-bar but everything else in the fleet has the dual cue.

[skyrunner1500]

You're referring to the crossbar FD as dual cue?

[Jason]

Yes - dual cue = 'cross pointer' = crossbar

Single cue = 'v bar'

Can ya'll not change them? Even the little ole' Citations have a button to switch back and forth too suit the pilot's preference.

Jason

[skyrunner1500]

I was wondering the same thing... but, no, on our CRJ 200's we are not able to change it. We have it preset as "crossbars" together with the EICAS 2000. I think it might depend on the current software used and operators preference?

[Doug Taylor]

Nah, we can't change them.

[Dugie8]

I think each one has there own "advantages". The dual cue is nice for pitch and heading commands, but I really like the V bars for ILS approaches. But I'm just this side of weird so.....

[Bandit_Driver]

I grew up on the V-bar so when I transitioned to the Dual Cue system I hated it. Now that I have used it a lot, I love it and prefer it over of the V-bar system.

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by skyrunner1500

I was wondering the same thing... but, no, on our CRJ 200's we are not able to change it. We have it preset as "crossbars" together with the EICAS 2000. I think it might depend on the current software used and operators preference?

I wasn't aware that the CRJ could have the dual cue. Every operator I've seen (in the States anyways) has the Vbar. Who do you fly for?

[skyrunner1500]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I wasn't aware that the CRJ could have the dual cue. Every operator I've seen (in the States anyways) has the Vbar. Who do you fly for?

I was told that each operator can choose what he wants the software to show on the display.

At first I was completely lost, but after getting used to it, I really like it.
Basically for the same reasons, Doug already mentioned. We have a lot of takeoff/climbout procedures, where we have to initiate the first turn very early, without the FMS having captured. So you can still use the pitch bar of the FD.

I fly for a well-known Austrian regional airline...

[ERfly]

The ERJ is the same way. I guess there's a switch in the avionics bay that can change the FD. When we were first getting the airplanes, we had the choice. The ATR guys voted for Dual Cue (because that's what the ATR had) and the 120 guys wanted the v-bars (because that's what the 120 had). The Beech guys just wanted the autopilot. Anyway, the 120 guys won out because it was made by Embraer, so naturally it should have the same thing as the 120.

And since we're talking about Delta's FD should the non-Dual Cue be referred to as "Dixie"?

[Doug Taylor]

Oooh, good point. I don't know!

[Blackhawk]

Originally Posted by skyrunner1500

I was told that each operator can choose what he wants the software to show on the display.

At first I was completely lost, but after getting used to it, I really like it.
Basically for the same reasons, Doug already mentioned. We have a lot of takeoff/climbout procedures, where we have to initiate the first turn very early, without the FMS having captured. So you can still use the pitch bar of the FD.

I fly for a well-known Austrian regional airline...

Until I got to the CRJ all I had flown was the double cue, and it is still what I prefer. I kept whining about the single cue in the CRJ course, so one day the sim instructor had a surprise for me. When I got in it was set up with the double cue FD. So it can be done.

[kellwolf]

I also didn't know the CRJ had the dual cue as an option. Might be less distracting since the CRJ FD has a tendency to suck sometimes anyway.

[Cptnchia]

Originally Posted by Bandit_Driver

I grew up on the V-bar so when I transitioned to the Dual Cue system I hated it. Now that I have used it a lot, I love it and prefer it over of the V-bar system.

The trick is to try and not fly them as an ILS, (flt the bars to the square,) but rather fly the square to the bars.

[C150J]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I also didn't know the CRJ had the dual cue as an option. Might be less distracting since the CRJ FD has a tendency to suck sometimes anyway.

The vertical guidance would probably go full deflection when initiating a climb in speed mode.

[Bandit_Driver]

The Saab had both depending on how the Sofware was set up. Seggy, if you watch the avioncs when turning them on you will the the cross hairs pop up for a nano second..

The E170 only had dual cue for take off. After that it switched to some symbology that I don't know how to describe for its flight director. But it sure was darn easy to fly.

[skyrunner1500]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I also didn't know the CRJ had the dual cue as an option. Might be less distracting since the CRJ FD has a tendency to suck sometimes anyway.

I can reassure you, that the CRJ autopilot even plays it's own games with the dual cue FD. Especially when catching and hunting (not intercepting!) the glideslope.

[skyrunner1500]

Originally Posted by C150J

The vertical guidance would probably go full deflection when initiating a climb in speed mode.

CLB or SPD mode for climb sucks in the CRJ anyway. It feels like riding a rollercoaster. I usually just use it in the initial climbout until 10,000' to comply with speed restrictions.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by Cptnchia

The trick is to try and not fly them as an ILS, (flt the bars to the square,) but rather fly the square to the bars.

Ain't that the truth...