Pinnacle awarded the CRJ900's?

[Soul Brotha']

Saw this on Yahoo.
http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/070430/0245454.html

[Stone Cold]

How in the world did you manage to post in the Archived forums for NJC 2005???

[Soul Brotha']

If you promise the moderators a free meal at the Sizzler, you would be amazed at what you can post.

[UND_Flyer]

...and once again, we here at Comair get screwed again

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

...and once again, we here at Comair get screwed again

I was under the impression that these were new CRJ, not taking existing flying. Pinnacle's having to foot the bill for them as well. They haven't even announced if it's SLC, ATL, or CVG yet. I wouldn't start the bashing just yet.

[kellwolf]

Eh, I just read an article on Comair emerging from bankruptcy. Not only is Delta tossing aroung the idea of selling them (not a huge surprise), but it also mentions in the article shaking up the regional feed (potential Not Good). I don't view the flying PCL got as "stealing" from Comair, but I hope you guys don't get a huge screw job in the near future. Good luck over there.

[blee256]

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

...and once again, we here at Comair get screwed again

That line really bugs me. Mainly because I think its baseless. What is your reasoning? Should all Delta flying be awarded to Comair and Comair only? Was 15 planes taken away from Comair recently? Please explain.

[JEP]

Here's a thought that just came to mind.....

Isn't it ironic that PNCL management did not bother getting a new contract with the pilot group in regards to NWA's requirement of doing so or else lose planes to Mesaba?

Maybe I'm playing devils advocate, but why would management care if they lose 17 planes to Mesaba when they are getting 16 new or whatever the number from Delta (yes I know PCL is financing/acquiring) and bigger planes to boot?

[CFIse]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I don't view the flying PCL got as "stealing" from Comair, but I hope you guys don't get a huge screw job in the near future. Good luck over there.

It seems to be Deltas desire to sell Comair, I think the screw job for Comair pilots is pretty much inevitable regardless of what any of us hope.

[CFIse]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I was under the impression that these were new CRJ, not taking existing flying. Pinnacle's having to foot the bill for them as well. They haven't even announced if it's SLC, ATL, or CVG yet. I wouldn't start the bashing just yet.

So as I understood it Delta took order positions for 30 900s, they gave 15 to Freedom (Mesa) to operate starting August and then what, did they give the other 15 order slots to Pinnacle to finance and accept, or are there STILL 15 Delta 900s out there waiting to be assigned?

[Soul Brotha']

Originally Posted by UND_Flyer

...and once again, we here at Comair get screwed again

No we did not get screwed. And no Pinnacle did not steal any of Comair's flying. Remember DL chooses who flies their regional feeds. UND, be happy we didn't get this flying. We just took a significant pay cut, so us flying those planes at the current rates would have been a bad thing. We should be more concerned at what Momma DL is going to do with us after post-BK. Kellwolf, did you guys negotiate a pay rate on these planes already?

[surreal1221]

So . . . let's just say that PCL opens an ATL base.

How long, would that base potentially stay open? Until the next lowest bidder comes in?

Here tomorrow, gone the next week? These bases could/can close up pretty quickly. (ASA in LAX, and hopefully SKW in ATL [hasn't started yet - just hope it closes pronto like]).

[kellwolf]

I have my own theory on the pilot contract/15 planes/Mesaba, etc, but that's a WHOLE other thread.

On the pay, we've got a clause in the contract saying they've got 30 days before the planes begin service to negotiate a pay rate or it goes to arbitration.

As for the base stuff.... I haven't seen the ASA, so I don't know what kinda freaky clauses might be hiding in there, but this contract is for 10 years. I'm guessing if we're yanked before the 10 year mark, it's gonna cost Delta a chunk of change to cancel the remainder of the contract. If not, our management should be taken out and beaten for signing an ASA without that kind of protection.

[UND_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Soul Brotha'

No we did not get screwed. And no Pinnacle did not steal any of Comair's flying. Remember DL chooses who flies their regional feeds. UND, be happy we didn't get this flying. We just took a significant pay cut, so us flying those planes at the current rates would have been a bad thing. We should be more concerned at what Momma DL is going to do with us after post-BK. Kellwolf, did you guys negotiate a pay rate on these planes already?

Maybe it came out the wrong way. I didn't mean that we got screwed by PCL. I guess I'm just a little frustrated. It's great that we are finally out of brankruptcy, but right now I'm just not sure what's going to happen to this company and where we're going, but thats how this industry works.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

hopefully SKW in ATL [hasn't started yet - just hope it closes pronto like]).

Agreed, I came to Skywest because I DIDN'T want to go to ATL. I put in my PBS that I want to AVOID ATL. Im a west side gansta.

[H46Bubba]

Originally Posted by blee256

That line really bugs me. Mainly because I think its baseless. What is your reasoning? Should all Delta flying be awarded to Comair and Comair only? Was 15 planes taken away from Comair recently? Please explain.

He wasn't directing anything towards PNCL. No one said anything about Comair deserving anything. The Comair pilot group as well as the rest of us are tired and frustrated from the past two years of this bankruptcy crap. We'd like to see the light at the end of the tunnel. we just exited the tunnel, but it pretty foggy out. The only thing we know is that there's a possible sale(as it's been for the last two years) and we're going to be increasing operations out of JFK and BOS.
You aren't the only ones who've had a/c taken away. Heck NWA is paying you guys money for doing so! We had 12 a/c taken away and given to Skywest to operate flights out of CVG. They actually tried it for a month then turned it over to ASA. Just like you guys, Delta owned the planes and due to our high operating costs( pre concessions) they snatched them up and gave them to someone else. Not seeing one penny for that and the pilots were forced to take concessions to go a long with it. We want to see new flying and new planes, just as much as you guys. I'm glad we're not in your guys position with the new deal. I hope you guys fight and get decent pay for those a/c. Maybe luck will shine on Comair finally and we could get awarded the remaining 900's.

[Airdale]

Kinda off topic, but I think those CRJ's are the sharpest looking RJ's out there.

Best of luck to PCL with them flying for Delta!

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by Airdale

Kinda off topic, but I think those CRJ's are the sharpest looking RJ's out there.

I think they personally are a little over stretched. The 700 is about the right size, and even then, it isn't really an RJ anyways.

Originally Posted by kellwolf

On the pay, we've got a clause in the contract saying they've got 30 days before the planes begin service to negotiate a pay rate or it goes to arbitration.

You'd better hope it doesn't go to arbitration. If it does they are going to look at who is already flying them (Mesa and Skywest) and give you the average. Nothing against the SKYW people, but your override pay is a joke when it comes to setting a wage level at another airline.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Hootie9750

Agreed, I came to Skywest because I DIDN'T want to go to ATL. I put in my PBS that I want to AVOID ATL. Im a west side gansta.

I had an 'AVOID ATL' preference in my PBS recipe too.

I've only flown thru there about three times in the past year.

But they've got the best controllers on earth. They should send the controllers from SLC to ATL for an internship.

"Airliner 123, expedite down to 12000...."

"...Airliner 123, change of plans, descend and maintain 13000, turn left 90 degrees sequence behind a Brasilia, report traffic in sight."

[CFIse]

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

I think they personally are a little over stretched. The 700 is about the right size, and even then, it isn't really an RJ anyways.

Then you're going to hate the 1000 - for all sorts of reasons..... :-)

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by CFIse

Then you're going to hate the 1000 - for all sorts of reasons..... :-)

I hope I never see that at a regional airline. Have they announced who signed those first 15 (or 20?) orders? I really hope it wasn't somebody in the US. Scope is getting bad enough with all the 900s and 175s running around.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I had an 'AVOID ATL' preference in my PBS recipe too.

I've only flown thru there about three times in the past year.

But they've got the best controllers on earth. They should send the controllers from SLC to ATL for an internship.

"Airliner 123, expedite down to 12000...."

"...Airliner 123, change of plans, descend and maintain 13000, turn left 90 degrees sequence behind a Brasilia, report traffic in sight."

SLC

"Airliner123, slow to 250"

"Airline123, speed up if you could to 310 but I'm gonna need you back to 280 by XYZ intersection in 5 miles"

"Airliner123, fly heading 155"

"Airliner123, fly heading 165, slow to 190"

"Airliner123, fly heading 145, expect 16L"

"Airliner123, fly heading 155"

"Airliner123, expect 17, speed up to 210"

"Airliner123, can I give you 16R?"

Somebody needs to go to school!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by Hootie9750

SLC

"Airliner123, slow to 250"

"Airline123, speed up if you could to 310 but I'm gonna need you back to 280 by XYZ intersection in 5 miles"

"Airliner123, fly heading 155"

"Airliner123, fly heading 165, slow to 190"

"Airliner123, fly heading 145, expect 16L"

"Airliner123, fly heading 155"

"Airliner123, expect 17, speed up to 210"

"Airliner123, can I give you 16R?"

Somebody needs to go to school!

Apparently SLC ---IS--- school.

I hate speaking ill of anyone on the internet because it gets googled nightly, but man o man.

My personal favorite was getting sent around three times because of their sequencing problems. THEN they asked us to make the highspeed when we were finally able to land after we went critical fuel.

[BobDDuck]

And I thought Charlotte was bad.

I've only been broken off the approach two times in a row and then had to Sturn down to about 300 feet the last time. Oh yeah, and it was the ONLY time I've been a lifeguard flight. Some priority we got.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Geeez, when I become a 121 pilot, i won't need to worry about missing my soaps while away on the road.

This industry, more especially the RFP world is Days of Our Lives in a cockpit!