Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps

Seggy · April 3rd, 2007, 13:53

Maybe I am missing something here, but talking to some international drivers they like to do two trips back to back to help out with commutting. How is it legal?

-Day one fly to Europe! Yippee!!!!

7:45 Block

-Day two arrive in Europe!!!!!! Enjoy some wine/beer!!!!

-Day three back to the States. Arrive in the States, go to the commuter hotel!

8:30 Block

-Day four back to Europe!!!!!!!

8:15 Block

-Day five arrive in Europe, enjoy yourself once again.

-Day six, back to the states and home.

8:45 block.

Am I missing something?

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 13:56

There's no 30-in-7 for International...

Kevin

Seggy · April 3rd, 2007, 14:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

There's no 30-in-7 for International...

Kevin

Ahhhhh. What type of reg is there? So you can theoretically do trips the first two weeks and be done for the rest of the month?

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 14:04

120-in-30 is it. Still have the 1000 in a year limit though.

This month I've got 90 hours between today and the 21st. I don't normally do it that way, it just kind-of worked out that way.

Kevin

Doug Taylor · April 3rd, 2007, 14:13

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Originally Posted by Seggy

Ahhhhh. What type of reg is there? So you can theoretically do trips the first two weeks and be done for the rest of the month?

Pretty much what I plan on doing sometimes. Get ER done, drink beer and grow stubble on my off days.

amorris311 · April 3rd, 2007, 14:55

i do not want to hear any complaining from any of you!

that is a sweet gig!!!!

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by amorris311

i do not want to hear any complaining from any of you!

that is a sweet gig!!!!

What, Me worry? I don't think anyone will hear me complain about this aspect of the job...

Well, off to Rome now... :^)

Kevin

Seggy · April 3rd, 2007, 15:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

What, Me worry? I don't think anyone will hear me complain about this aspect of the job...

Well, off to Rome now... :^)

Kevin

Have some Chianti for me tommorow night at dinner!

amorris311 · April 3rd, 2007, 15:08

how bout some house wine with the blueberry steak! that was some good eats!

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

Have some Chianti for me tommorow night at dinner!

Wilco.

Out.

Kevin

Doug Taylor · April 3rd, 2007, 15:18

Hey Kevin, is the TOE a round trip ocean crossing or is it two round trips?

Plus, does the check airman ride along like a CSO back in the day, or is it just a check airman/captain?

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Hey Kevin, is the TOE a round trip ocean crossing or is it two round trips?

I'm pretty sure that it's 2 round trips...

Quote:

Plus, does the check airman ride along like a CSO back in the day, or is it just a check airman/captain?

Just the LCA acting as Captain, you and another F/O. One F/O gets released...

Kevin

Dugie8 · April 3rd, 2007, 15:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

120-in-30 is it. Still have the 1000 in a year limit though.

This month I've got 90 hours between today and the 21st. I don't normally do it that way, it just kind-of worked out that way.

Kevin

Isn't there 24 hours aloft in 72 hour period, or is that just supplemental?

staplegun · April 3rd, 2007, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dugie8

Isn't there 24 hours aloft in 72 hour period, or is that just supplemental?

Yes, but any leg blocked for over 12 hours requires 2 full crews on the trip. The closest we have on the B-767ER is Moscow-Atlanta which is blocked at 11:20 (I think)...

Most of our trips have 24 hour layovers so it's not a problem...

If you fly some overtime the 120-in-30 thing will catch you occasionally.

Kevin

Dugie8 · April 3rd, 2007, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

Yes, but any leg blocked for over 12 hours requires 2 full crews on the trip. The closest we have on the B-767ER is Moscow-Atlanta which is blocked at 11:20 (I think)...

Most of our trips have 24 hour layovers so it's not a problem...

If you fly some overtime the 120-in-30 thing will catch you occasionally.

Kevin

We used to do a lot of 11+50 hour trips, with 12 off in the middle, get back to the states and be timed out, not fun at all...

OldTownPilot · April 3rd, 2007, 16:35

Mark, Check your email. I sent you the sheet that CAL publishes for the FARs.

Seggy · April 3rd, 2007, 20:16

OTP, thanks for that information. Quite handy!

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2007, 21:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by staplegun

There's no 30-in-7 for International...

Kevin

30-in-7 what?

mtsu_av8er · April 5th, 2007, 21:23

Wow - I just read 121.471. Disregard my last.

kellwolf · April 6th, 2007, 21:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

Wow - I just read 121.471. Disregard my last.

The 30-in-7 rule is the reason I can't get above 92 hours block this month. I even have a 5 day off stint in the middle of the month, but I'm flying so much before and after that, it would be more than 30 in 7 if I even picked up a MEM-DFW turn!

New decision......I think I might JS to DFW to harass Skymates.

seagull · April 9th, 2007, 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

Maybe I am missing something here, but talking to some international drivers they like to do two trips back to back to help out with commutting. How is it legal?

-Day one fly to Europe! Yippee!!!!

7:45 Block

-Day two arrive in Europe!!!!!! Enjoy some wine/beer!!!!

-Day three back to the States. Arrive in the States, go to the commuter hotel!

8:30 Block

-Day four back to Europe!!!!!!!

8:15 Block

-Day five arrive in Europe, enjoy yourself once again.

-Day six, back to the states and home.

8:45 block.

Am I missing something?

Well, the first thing is flying to Europe with under 8 hr block time is hardly "long haul" in my book!

More seriously, those out and back types to Europe are pretty hard on the body, I think. I prefer the round the world trips. MEM-CDG, layover, CDG-SFS, layover, SFS-KIX, layover, KIX-MEM, done with one other short thing in the month. Or, perhaps, MEM-HNL, HNL-SYD, SYD-SFS, SFS-HKG, HKG-ALA, ALA-CDG, CDG-MEM, done for the month!

kellwolf · April 9th, 2007, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by seagull

Well, the first thing is flying to Europe with under 8 hr block time is hardly "long haul" in my book!

More seriously, those out and back types to Europe are pretty hard on the body, I think. I prefer the round the world trips. MEM-CDG, layover, CDG-SFS, layover, SFS-KIX, layover, KIX-MEM, done with one other short thing in the month. Or, perhaps, MEM-HNL, HNL-SYD, SYD-SFS, SFS-HKG, HKG-ALA, ALA-CDG, CDG-MEM, done for the month!

The more I hear from you, the better FedEx is looking.....

April 3rd, 2007, 13:53	#1
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,282	Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps Maybe I am missing something here, but talking to some international drivers they like to do two trips back to back to help out with commutting. How is it legal? -Day one fly to Europe! Yippee!!!! 7:45 Block -Day two arrive in Europe!!!!!! Enjoy some wine/beer!!!! -Day three back to the States. Arrive in the States, go to the commuter hotel! 8:30 Block -Day four back to Europe!!!!!!! 8:15 Block -Day five arrive in Europe, enjoy yourself once again. -Day six, back to the states and home. 8:45 block. Am I missing something? __________________ www.alpa.org

April 3rd, 2007, 13:56	#2
staplegun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Park Ridge, IL Posts: 1,139	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps There's no 30-in-7 for International... Kevin

April 3rd, 2007, 14:04	#4
staplegun Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Park Ridge, IL Posts: 1,139	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps 120-in-30 is it. Still have the 1000 in a year limit though. This month I've got 90 hours between today and the 21st. I don't normally do it that way, it just kind-of worked out that way. Kevin

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amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,553	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps i do not want to hear any complaining from any of you! that is a sweet gig!!!!

April 3rd, 2007, 15:08	#9
amorris311 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles soon to be phx Posts: 2,553	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps how bout some house wine with the blueberry steak! that was some good eats!

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Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,217 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps Hey Kevin, is the TOE a round trip ocean crossing or is it two round trips? Plus, does the check airman ride along like a CSO back in the day, or is it just a check airman/captain? __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

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OldTownPilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: BGR (Bangor, ME) Posts: 3,035 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps Mark, Check your email. I sent you the sheet that CAL publishes for the FARs. __________________ As a wise man said, sumb!tch flew in, sumb!tch'll fly out. Ski Hard. Party Harder.

April 3rd, 2007, 20:16	#17
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Somewhere in the Northeast Posts: 5,282	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps OTP, thanks for that information. Quite handy! __________________ www.alpa.org

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mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,567	Re: Am I missing something here...question for long haul peeps Wow - I just read 121.471. Disregard my last. __________________ Ike is one nasty storm, and it's all the fault of management. That's why we need ALPA.

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