Non-rev etiquette?

C150J · January 19th, 2007, 00:31

Is it proper to always introduce yourseld to the crew when non-reving (with a seat in the back)? I had several mainline guys do this on my last working trip, and was wondering if I missed the "memo." Hitching a ride home tomorrow on PDT and Colgan so I just wanted to see what the consensus was...

Thanks!
J.

kellwolf · January 19th, 2007, 00:40

IMO, yes. I introduce myself even if I'm DHing on company business. To me, it's just a common courtesy.

Captain_Bob · January 19th, 2007, 00:41

If you are paying for pass travel... Go take your seat. However... IMHO... it's still good for the flight crew to know that there is another experienced pilot onboard in case of emergencies, so a short but sweet introduction takes care of that... plus... I've gotten a few upgrades to First just from popping my head in the flight deck and saying "hi".

If you are "Hitching a ride" via Jumpseating or CASS with space available in the back... ALWAYS introduce yourself and ask permission from the Captain.

Bob

EDUC8-or · January 19th, 2007, 07:44

If in our system or on a DH I head to the back without bothering the crew. It's not required and it's reccomended in our FOM to do it that way.

If I'm trying to JS I always ask the lead FA if I could please speak with the CA. I wait until they're done working if they're running a checklist and I'll introduce myself to the CA and FO, tell them who I work for, ask them if I could have a lift, and show them my credentials.

There's nothing worse than someone who interrupts you when you're trying to do your job and says, "Yeah, uhhh I got a seat in the back so here's my JS form."

The main reason I don't stop up front is, there's often a lot going on and when we have someone who is in our system stop up to "Just say hi" we're usually a little confused as to who they work for and are they trying to JS without asking. Since the new TSA liquid ban I always non-rev in my uniform and I always say hello to the FA(s) so they know where I am if I'm needed.

kellwolf · January 19th, 2007, 10:31

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Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

IMHO... it's still good for the flight crew to know that there is another experienced pilot onboard in case of emergencies, so a short but sweet introduction takes care of that... plus... I've gotten a few upgrades to First just from popping my head in the flight deck and saying "hi".

That's the reason I do it. Sioux City would have been a totally different ball game if they didn't know that check airman was in the back....

Not saying I could help out MUCH at this point, but it does give the CA options if he knows who's in the back.

Kingairer · January 19th, 2007, 13:43

Just take your damn seat if you got one already, unless you are jumpseating (cabin or cockpit). Enjoy the fact you arent having to ask for the ride, infact put your ID in your bag and wear jeans. If you know the guys up front, different story.

PS. and saying "Well hey Im back here if you guys need any help" nor"You guys gonna de-ice today" "You guys need to get this weight thing fixed" there arent exactly a great idea. Tell the FA that way when the cockpit crew passes out from eating the Fish, you can rush up when she starts screamin.

dc3flyer · January 19th, 2007, 14:44

I have always introduce myself to the at least the captain (but usually the FO also) and asked for a ride to wherever I was going. It is not only good manners, but it may also make you a few friends in the business. I always try to not BOTHER them, but if they are in a tlking mood, then hey...

BobDDuck · January 19th, 2007, 15:12

I never stop by in front if I am nonreving/DH unless I know the crew and feel like talking to them. Jumpseating (front or back) is a whole different story.

DE727UPS · January 19th, 2007, 15:34

Our jumpseat committe is VERY adamant that we speak to the crew even when we have a boarding pass/seat assignment. It seems kinda dumb to me to follow the old procedures of asking for a ride when the gate agents give you a seat. It seems many of the airlines that have the procedure of just giving an offline guy a seat are getting away from formally calling it "jumpseating". I mean, if I'm an offline pilot, what's wrong with the airline just giving me an open seat in the back without the formality of asking the Capt for a ride?

I hate interrupting the crew to ask for a ride. Sometimes they are pretty busy and have better things to do. Also, at times you hold up the boarding process a bit by being in the way.

The old Horizon jumpseat form specifically said NOT to talk to the crew until after the flight if you had a seat in the back.

I think it's just easier for everyone if the airlines get in the habit of opening up the seats in the back to deadheading offline guys, give them a seat assignment, and let the Capt know via the paperwork they have a jumpseater back there.

EDUC8-or · January 19th, 2007, 16:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I think it's just easier for everyone if the airlines get in the habit of opening up the seats in the back to deadheading offline guys, give them a seat assignment, and let the Capt know via the paperwork they have a jumpseater back there.

I think when we say deadhead we mean riding on a space postive ticket, or what my airline calls a "Must Ride."

Kingairer · January 19th, 2007, 16:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

Our jumpseat committe is VERY adamant that we speak to the crew even when we have a boarding pass/seat assignment. It seems kinda dumb to me to follow the old procedures of asking for a ride when the gate agents give you a seat. It seems many of the airlines that have the procedure of just giving an offline guy a seat are getting away from formally calling it "jumpseating". I mean, if I'm an offline pilot, what's wrong with the airline just giving me an open seat in the back without the formality of asking the Capt for a ride?

I hate interrupting the crew to ask for a ride. Sometimes they are pretty busy and have better things to do. Also, at times you hold up the boarding process a bit by being in the way.

The old Horizon jumpseat form specifically said NOT to talk to the crew until after the flight if you had a seat in the back.

I think it's just easier for everyone if the airlines get in the habit of opening up the seats in the back to deadheading offline guys, give them a seat assignment, and let the Capt know via the paperwork they have a jumpseater back there.

Can I do that on UPS?

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2007, 16:49

Don,

Are you aware if we're able to jumpseat on ya'll?

DE727UPS · January 19th, 2007, 17:07

"Can I do that on UPS?"

Can you do what? Catch a ride? You can if you're on the recriprocal list. As for riding in the back, I suppose sitting on those boxes might me a tad uncomfortable. You might squish something.

"Are you aware if we're able to jumpseat on ya'll?"

Is Amflight in CASS? We can only take CASS. I know I can't ride on Amflight. That needs to be fixed.

jtrain609 · January 19th, 2007, 17:18

Yeah we're in CASS. I have no idea why we don't have a recip with you guys.

DE727UPS · January 19th, 2007, 17:22

I just checked the list and Amflight is on it. Talking to Ryan the other day he said I couldn't ride on Amflight, so either he was wrong or the list was wrong. I guess you could call 1-800-228-CREW, prompt 4, then 1, and try to sign up for the jumpseat.

Hootie · January 19th, 2007, 18:13

Back when I was at AMF we had a memo from Hazlett that specifically said that we are in CASS but that we are ONLY approved in the j/s with Southwest.

If Im non-reving and they aren't busy up front I always say hi and politely ask if I may ride on their plane. ALWAYS works and is never akward.

Also Kingairer, who do you fly for?

Kingairer · January 19th, 2007, 23:27

---I mean, if I'm an offline pilot, what's wrong with the airline just giving me an open seat in the back without the formality of asking the Capt for a ride?
----
Can I do that on UPS on the AC that have "cabin" seating?

Seggy · January 20th, 2007, 00:20

i punch kingairthing in the face and go take my seat. works well.

TechFlyer · January 20th, 2007, 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seggy

i punch kingairthing in the face and go take my seat. works well.

Chuck Norris style!

jtrain609 · January 20th, 2007, 01:59

That's correct, the only people that can ride on us is Southwest. Who would we need to talk with to try to change that? I doubt Amflight would change anything, but you never know.

Doug Taylor · January 20th, 2007, 02:16

Just takes a phone call to the jumpseat coordinator.

If you'll reciprocate, it's on baby!

Email me if you need contact information.

Personally, I think it'd be dope to see "The Hoff" work.

EatSleepFly · January 20th, 2007, 16:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I doubt Amflight would change anything, but you never know.

Not until you know who retires, at least.

I think it's the stupidest thing ever that we can't get more than one recip, but whatever. The bogus excuse they give is because "we can't carry pax in our freighters," but a jumpseater is considered an additional crew member regardless, not a passenger. This was brought up to EM in our winter meeting, and he essentially said don't plan on anything changing anytime soon.

Doug Taylor · January 20th, 2007, 17:21

Just takes a phone call to a jumpseat coordinator, seriously.

EatSleepFly · January 20th, 2007, 17:50

I know, but our jumpseat coordinator, as it were, won't allow it.

jtrain609 · January 20th, 2007, 17:51

Who is our JS cordinator? JH?

January 19th, 2007, 00:31	#1
C150J Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,004	Non-rev etiquette? Is it proper to always introduce yourseld to the crew when non-reving (with a seat in the back)? I had several mainline guys do this on my last working trip, and was wondering if I missed the "memo." Hitching a ride home tomorrow on PDT and Colgan so I just wanted to see what the consensus was... Thanks! J.

January 19th, 2007, 00:40	#2
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,892	Re: Non-rev etiquette? IMO, yes. I introduce myself even if I'm DHing on company business. To me, it's just a common courtesy. __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

January 19th, 2007, 00:41	#3
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,904	Re: Non-rev etiquette? If you are paying for pass travel... Go take your seat. However... IMHO... it's still good for the flight crew to know that there is another experienced pilot onboard in case of emergencies, so a short but sweet introduction takes care of that... plus... I've gotten a few upgrades to First just from popping my head in the flight deck and saying "hi". If you are "Hitching a ride" via Jumpseating or CASS with space available in the back... ALWAYS introduce yourself and ask permission from the Captain. Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

January 19th, 2007, 07:44	#4
EDUC8-or Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NC Posts: 2,286	Re: Non-rev etiquette? If in our system or on a DH I head to the back without bothering the crew. It's not required and it's reccomended in our FOM to do it that way. If I'm trying to JS I always ask the lead FA if I could please speak with the CA. I wait until they're done working if they're running a checklist and I'll introduce myself to the CA and FO, tell them who I work for, ask them if I could have a lift, and show them my credentials. There's nothing worse than someone who interrupts you when you're trying to do your job and says, "Yeah, uhhh I got a seat in the back so here's my JS form." The main reason I don't stop up front is, there's often a lot going on and when we have someone who is in our system stop up to "Just say hi" we're usually a little confused as to who they work for and are they trying to JS without asking. Since the new TSA liquid ban I always non-rev in my uniform and I always say hello to the FA(s) so they know where I am if I'm needed. __________________ Listen To My Acoustic Demo@www.myspace.com/thesenachosaregood Watch Us Play Live@www.youtube.com/TheseNachosLive

January 19th, 2007, 13:43	#6
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,192	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Just take your damn seat if you got one already, unless you are jumpseating (cabin or cockpit). Enjoy the fact you arent having to ask for the ride, infact put your ID in your bag and wear jeans. If you know the guys up front, different story. PS. and saying "Well hey Im back here if you guys need any help" nor"You guys gonna de-ice today" "You guys need to get this weight thing fixed" there arent exactly a great idea. Tell the FA that way when the cockpit crew passes out from eating the Fish, you can rush up when she starts screamin. __________________ "I do not proofread"

January 19th, 2007, 14:44	#7
dc3flyer Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Everywhere Posts: 1,172	Re: Non-rev etiquette? I have always introduce myself to the at least the captain (but usually the FO also) and asked for a ride to wherever I was going. It is not only good manners, but it may also make you a few friends in the business. I always try to not BOTHER them, but if they are in a tlking mood, then hey...

January 19th, 2007, 15:12	#8
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,764	Re: Non-rev etiquette? I never stop by in front if I am nonreving/DH unless I know the crew and feel like talking to them. Jumpseating (front or back) is a whole different story. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

January 19th, 2007, 15:34	#9
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,550	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Our jumpseat committe is VERY adamant that we speak to the crew even when we have a boarding pass/seat assignment. It seems kinda dumb to me to follow the old procedures of asking for a ride when the gate agents give you a seat. It seems many of the airlines that have the procedure of just giving an offline guy a seat are getting away from formally calling it "jumpseating". I mean, if I'm an offline pilot, what's wrong with the airline just giving me an open seat in the back without the formality of asking the Capt for a ride? I hate interrupting the crew to ask for a ride. Sometimes they are pretty busy and have better things to do. Also, at times you hold up the boarding process a bit by being in the way. The old Horizon jumpseat form specifically said NOT to talk to the crew until after the flight if you had a seat in the back. I think it's just easier for everyone if the airlines get in the habit of opening up the seats in the back to deadheading offline guys, give them a seat assignment, and let the Capt know via the paperwork they have a jumpseater back there.

January 19th, 2007, 16:49	#12
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,398	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Don, Are you aware if we're able to jumpseat on ya'll? __________________

January 19th, 2007, 17:07	#13
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,550	Re: Non-rev etiquette? "Can I do that on UPS?" Can you do what? Catch a ride? You can if you're on the recriprocal list. As for riding in the back, I suppose sitting on those boxes might me a tad uncomfortable. You might squish something. "Are you aware if we're able to jumpseat on ya'll?" Is Amflight in CASS? We can only take CASS. I know I can't ride on Amflight. That needs to be fixed.

January 19th, 2007, 17:18	#14
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,398	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Yeah we're in CASS. I have no idea why we don't have a recip with you guys. __________________

January 19th, 2007, 17:22	#15
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,550	Re: Non-rev etiquette? I just checked the list and Amflight is on it. Talking to Ryan the other day he said I couldn't ride on Amflight, so either he was wrong or the list was wrong. I guess you could call 1-800-228-CREW, prompt 4, then 1, and try to sign up for the jumpseat.

January 19th, 2007, 18:13	#16
Hootie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Zona Posts: 1,182	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Back when I was at AMF we had a memo from Hazlett that specifically said that we are in CASS but that we are ONLY approved in the j/s with Southwest. If Im non-reving and they aren't busy up front I always say hi and politely ask if I may ride on their plane. ALWAYS works and is never akward. Also Kingairer, who do you fly for? __________________ Whatever happened to catching a good old fashioned passionate ass whooping?

January 19th, 2007, 23:27	#17
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,192	Re: Non-rev etiquette? ---I mean, if I'm an offline pilot, what's wrong with the airline just giving me an open seat in the back without the formality of asking the Capt for a ride? ---- Can I do that on UPS on the AC that have "cabin" seating? __________________ "I do not proofread"

January 20th, 2007, 00:20	#18
Seggy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,303	Re: Non-rev etiquette? i punch kingairthing in the face and go take my seat. works well.

January 20th, 2007, 01:59	#20
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,398	Re: Non-rev etiquette? That's correct, the only people that can ride on us is Southwest. Who would we need to talk with to try to change that? I doubt Amflight would change anything, but you never know. __________________

January 20th, 2007, 02:16	#21
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Just takes a phone call to the jumpseat coordinator. If you'll reciprocate, it's on baby! Email me if you need contact information. Personally, I think it'd be dope to see "The Hoff" work.

January 20th, 2007, 17:21	#23
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Non-rev etiquette? Just takes a phone call to a jumpseat coordinator, seriously. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

January 20th, 2007, 17:50	#24
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Non-rev etiquette? I know, but our jumpseat coordinator, as it were, won't allow it.

January 20th, 2007, 17:51	#25
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