speaking of jumpseats...DL?

stultus · March 30th, 2006, 18:12

I'm relatively new to the airline-employee world, so I'm still learning lots about the system. I've jumped on NW, CO, XJ, XJT, UA, OO and last week I tried DL--it was a little different than the others.

I tried to save time by jumping on XJT down to ATL to catch a DL flight and ended up wasting a lot of time because I couldn't get on flight, after flight, after flight.

The loads for the flight I wanted on were good, but a UA guy was already at the gate when I got there (over an hour before departure.) It seems DL only allow as many offline JSers as actual jumpseats in the plane even if there are seats in the back. But what was weird is even though my company is CASS approved we can only occupy the JS if there is an open seat in the back. I was down to the last flight of the night and was not going to get on because this was the situation--open jumpseat but nothing in the back. What's the logic here? Is anyone else like this?

In the end it worked out, I sweet-talked a agent into finding a seat in the back, but this could have been a disaster if I were going to work and not coming from work.

B767Driver · March 30th, 2006, 18:19

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Originally Posted by stultus

In the end it worked out, I sweet-talked a agent into finding a seat in the back, but this could have been a disaster if I were going to work and not coming from work.

That's why I don't commute.

Anyway...my understanding is if you are CASS you can ride in the jumpseat. If you are not CASS...but are on the reciprocal JS list...you can have a seat in the back if there is one available. And, yes, if there are 20 open seats in the back...only one jumpseater allowed. There might be a reciprocal agreement with SW or AA for flowthrough...i.e., allowing multiple jumpseaters in the back...but that's about it.

Doug's probably more up on the JS policies than I am. I've JS'd probably twice in 10 years. I try to stay away from the madness.

Doug Taylor · March 30th, 2006, 19:32

I dunno, I'll check!

I generally 'pre book' days in advance and bid trips that get done relatively close to my prebooked jumpseats so I don't often go offline.

Kingairer · March 30th, 2006, 20:47

Whats the logic of taking only 1 jumpseater in the back?

B767Driver · March 30th, 2006, 22:47

I may be wrong...but this is my understanding of the issue.

The FAA bought off on the concept of the "jumpseat" rider because he/she is an extra crewmember who can help the scheduled crew assist in duties such as scanning for traffic and assist in emergency evacuations, etc. The original intent is that the JS'er would fulfill those duties in the cockpit...obviously. This is why it is so important for all JS riders to check in with the captain...it is not a passenger authorizaton...as a JS rider...you effectively become part of the crew.

Over time...the captain would give permission for the JS'er to sit in an empty seat in the back. Since the FAA expected the JS'er to be in the cockpit...approval was only given for one JS rider for each flight...or in the case of a 767ER...two JS'ers.

I suppose agreements with the FAA have evolved over time...allowing companies to become more liberal with their JS policies...as several have 'flowback' agreements allowing multiple JS riders to occupy cabin seats.

I'm sure someone out there has more detailed info.

Kingairer · March 30th, 2006, 22:50

Seems to be the minority of airlines are subscribing to jumpseater per number of JS only.

BobDDuck · March 30th, 2006, 23:12

Actually, up until a few years ago, most airlines subscribed to the policy of limiting the number of jump seaters to the number of actual jumpseats up front. US Air changed the policy that they would accept as many people as there were open seats for any airline that made the same deal with them. Most airlines SLOWLY switched over to the policy. I believe American just switched over late last year. I dunno about Delta as I haven't ever tried to jumpseat on them. My roomate has a bunch though and as far as I know he hasn't ever had a problem. Right now the only airline I know of that I can't go on is CAL as when they installed CASS on the gate computers it can no longer accept anything but 3 letter airline codes even for travel in the back. Unfortunatly my airline doesn't have a 3 letter OAG code and CAL has made no attempt to fix this problem. Rumor is we are going to start denying CAL (not xjet) jumpseaters until they fix the problem.

GaTechKid · March 31st, 2006, 13:42

I thought American applied the same JS policy that an offliner's airline had? For instance they would allow an unlimited # of USAir J/S'ers but only 1 Delta JS'er etc...

blee256 · April 1st, 2006, 01:01

I have only jumpseated on DL once. From ATL-SAV on an MD88. The crew was great. And even though there isnt much space for the JSer, that was probably the most comfortable JS. its so padded. ha. and Mr. T that MD-88 is uber quiet up front. When we rotated, i thought we lost both engines it was so quiet!

I have jumpseated on United a couple times and I think those are the friendliest group of pilots. I have always had fun riding up front with them. American West pilots have been great as well.

pscraig · April 2nd, 2006, 23:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobDDuck

Actually, up until a few years ago, most airlines subscribed to the policy of limiting the number of jump seaters to the number of actual jumpseats up front. US Air changed the policy that they would accept as many people as there were open seats for any airline that made the same deal with them. Most airlines SLOWLY switched over to the policy. I believe American just switched over late last year. I dunno about Delta as I haven't ever tried to jumpseat on them. My roomate has a bunch though and as far as I know he hasn't ever had a problem. Right now the only airline I know of that I can't go on is CAL as when they installed CASS on the gate computers it can no longer accept anything but 3 letter airline codes even for travel in the back. Unfortunatly my airline doesn't have a 3 letter OAG code and CAL has made no attempt to fix this problem. Rumor is we are going to start denying CAL (not xjet) jumpseaters until they fix the problem.

XJT's CASS code is XE, and we can be processed in CASS in CAL's FOMS system. My GF is a gate agent and we tried it.

pavelump · April 3rd, 2006, 19:16

Tried what? It?

March 30th, 2006, 18:12	#1
stultus Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 524	speaking of jumpseats...DL? I'm relatively new to the airline-employee world, so I'm still learning lots about the system. I've jumped on NW, CO, XJ, XJT, UA, OO and last week I tried DL--it was a little different than the others. I tried to save time by jumping on XJT down to ATL to catch a DL flight and ended up wasting a lot of time because I couldn't get on flight, after flight, after flight. The loads for the flight I wanted on were good, but a UA guy was already at the gate when I got there (over an hour before departure.) It seems DL only allow as many offline JSers as actual jumpseats in the plane even if there are seats in the back. But what was weird is even though my company is CASS approved we can only occupy the JS if there is an open seat in the back. I was down to the last flight of the night and was not going to get on because this was the situation--open jumpseat but nothing in the back. What's the logic here? Is anyone else like this? In the end it worked out, I sweet-talked a agent into finding a seat in the back, but this could have been a disaster if I were going to work and not coming from work.

March 30th, 2006, 19:32	#3
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 41,094 Blog Entries: 1	I dunno, I'll check! I generally 'pre book' days in advance and bid trips that get done relatively close to my prebooked jumpseats so I don't often go offline. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

March 30th, 2006, 20:47	#4
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,187	Whats the logic of taking only 1 jumpseater in the back? __________________ "I do not proofread"

March 30th, 2006, 22:50	#6
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,187	Seems to be the minority of airlines are subscribing to jumpseater per number of JS only. __________________ "I do not proofread"

March 30th, 2006, 23:12	#7
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,712	Actually, up until a few years ago, most airlines subscribed to the policy of limiting the number of jump seaters to the number of actual jumpseats up front. US Air changed the policy that they would accept as many people as there were open seats for any airline that made the same deal with them. Most airlines SLOWLY switched over to the policy. I believe American just switched over late last year. I dunno about Delta as I haven't ever tried to jumpseat on them. My roomate has a bunch though and as far as I know he hasn't ever had a problem. Right now the only airline I know of that I can't go on is CAL as when they installed CASS on the gate computers it can no longer accept anything but 3 letter airline codes even for travel in the back. Unfortunatly my airline doesn't have a 3 letter OAG code and CAL has made no attempt to fix this problem. Rumor is we are going to start denying CAL (not xjet) jumpseaters until they fix the problem. __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

March 30th, 2006, 22:47	#5
B767Driver Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,883	I may be wrong...but this is my understanding of the issue. The FAA bought off on the concept of the "jumpseat" rider because he/she is an extra crewmember who can help the scheduled crew assist in duties such as scanning for traffic and assist in emergency evacuations, etc. The original intent is that the JS'er would fulfill those duties in the cockpit...obviously. This is why it is so important for all JS riders to check in with the captain...it is not a passenger authorizaton...as a JS rider...you effectively become part of the crew. Over time...the captain would give permission for the JS'er to sit in an empty seat in the back. Since the FAA expected the JS'er to be in the cockpit...approval was only given for one JS rider for each flight...or in the case of a 767ER...two JS'ers. I suppose agreements with the FAA have evolved over time...allowing companies to become more liberal with their JS policies...as several have 'flowback' agreements allowing multiple JS riders to occupy cabin seats. I'm sure someone out there has more detailed info.

March 31st, 2006, 13:42	#8
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,885	I thought American applied the same JS policy that an offliner's airline had? For instance they would allow an unlimited # of USAir J/S'ers but only 1 Delta JS'er etc... __________________ "I'd rather screw my way around the country then blow my way around..." - Saab 340 Driver

April 1st, 2006, 01:01	#9
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,648	I have only jumpseated on DL once. From ATL-SAV on an MD88. The crew was great. And even though there isnt much space for the JSer, that was probably the most comfortable JS. its so padded. ha. and Mr. T that MD-88 is uber quiet up front. When we rotated, i thought we lost both engines it was so quiet! I have jumpseated on United a couple times and I think those are the friendliest group of pilots. I have always had fun riding up front with them. American West pilots have been great as well. __________________ According to a report by Goldman Sachs economists, "the most important contributor to higher profit margins over the past five years has been a decline in labor's share of national income."

April 3rd, 2006, 19:16	#11
pavelump Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 790	Tried what? It?

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