Looks like war, boys.

Doug Taylor · September 27th, 2005, 03:12

And not a moment too soon.

Take a peek boys. "Nut up" or start looking at Truckmasters!

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Your LEC officers attended a special MEC meeting last week. This meeting was purely informational in nature. We received updates from our economic and financial analysis team and our bankruptcy counsel. Our negotiating committee briefed management's proposal for additional pilot concessions. Management offered no justification for their request nor had they done any costing to support their numbers. Management just simply gave us a proposal.

Your Council 44 officers believe management's proposal outlined in the latest Negotiator's Notepad is a clear overreach. No other stakeholder stepped up to the plate and participated at the level we did last year, and we mean no one! What is our reward for keeping Delta out of bankruptcy for the last year? Our reward is another DEMAND from our management team to again shoulder a disproportional share of the burden. Management has "cherry picked" the worst portions of various contracts and placed them in their proposal. So the same management team that came up with the business plan that was funded by our contributions and landed us in bankruptcy is now able to use the bankruptcy code as a weapon against us.

We recognize that we are in bankruptcy and that this process has historically not been favorable to labor. We have been in the lounges the last several days and your message to us has been clearly heard. Enough is enough!

We will respond to management's proposal in a manner that is in the best interest of the Delta pilots. We believe that this draconian overreach is an insult to those who have already sacrificed disproportionately relative to all other stakeholders. Management may be counting on pilot outrage over this proposal to subside in the days and weeks ahead and that eventually we will come to our senses and accept this as our fate. I believe such a notion is as ill fated as their business plan to avoid bankruptcy in the first place. They need to understand that unreasonable and unjustifiable assaults on our contract will not fly, even in bankruptcy.

Fraternally,

Art, Sam, Bill and Mork

MikeD · September 27th, 2005, 05:09

War.....

Cue "Ride of the Valkyries" with robert Duvall!

MQAAord · September 27th, 2005, 10:28

There'll be a snowball fight in hell before I'll accept what they're demanding.

11 years, 2 furloughs, 5 airlines, 2 kids, 2 houses, 3 paycuts, 7 crew bases; we've seen a lot.

We can't leave this profession even more worse off than it's been left to us.

ready2fly · September 27th, 2005, 22:18

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Originally Posted by MQAAord

11 years, 2 furloughs, 5 airlines, 2 kids, 2 houses, 3 paycuts, 7 crew bases; we've seen a lot.

....and a partridge in a pair treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Okay...sorry....but, SOMEBODY was gonna do it....may as well have been me.

That said:

Fight the good fight, ya'll! I'm in your corner even though I'm not "there" living it!

Don't like what you're offered - tell them where to put it.

Best of luck!

R2F

Tim · September 28th, 2005, 15:52

ALPA knew though that Delta management was going to ask for outrageous cuts. That is all they know how to do. I heard today, rumor of course, from a reliable source that after the first of the year their is going to be another pay cut for non-pilot groups. The number this time is 6%. Totaling 25% in just over a year plus whatever else benefit cost go up.

I got my resume updated and out......

Bog · September 28th, 2005, 18:24

Oh how I hate this industry more and more each day...

Tim · September 29th, 2005, 14:58

Bog I agree. I am so burned out on the airline industry.

Kristie · September 29th, 2005, 17:19

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Originally Posted by Tim

ALPA knew though that Delta management was going to ask for outrageous cuts. That is all they know how to do. I heard today, rumor of course, from a reliable source that after the first of the year their is going to be another pay cut for non-pilot groups. The number this time is 6%. Totaling 25% in just over a year plus whatever else benefit cost go up.

I got my resume updated and out......

sounds like you've got a good plan Tim!

I hate rumots! I wonder where that one came from....if people are making like $20K a year, losing 25% of it puts you back down education wages which is absolutely ridiculous! people can't live with families on that! seems to me that middle class is no more.. it's either your at the top of the class or at the sheer bottom! YUCK!

MQAAord · September 29th, 2005, 18:00

All I have to say to DALPA is DON'T BRING A POCKETKNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT!

Kristie · September 29th, 2005, 19:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by MQAAord

All I have to say to DALPA is DON'T BRING A POCKETKNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT!

that is a GREAT quote!

mrivc211 · October 20th, 2005, 02:55

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, organized labor has gone to Shi*t in this country. No pay should equal no work. Unity is the only way.

September 27th, 2005, 05:09	#2
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	War..... Cue "Ride of the Valkyries" with robert Duvall! __________________ Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.

September 27th, 2005, 10:28	#3
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,406	There'll be a snowball fight in hell before I'll accept what they're demanding. 11 years, 2 furloughs, 5 airlines, 2 kids, 2 houses, 3 paycuts, 7 crew bases; we've seen a lot. We can't leave this profession even more worse off than it's been left to us. __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

September 28th, 2005, 15:52	#5
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	ALPA knew though that Delta management was going to ask for outrageous cuts. That is all they know how to do. I heard today, rumor of course, from a reliable source that after the first of the year their is going to be another pay cut for non-pilot groups. The number this time is 6%. Totaling 25% in just over a year plus whatever else benefit cost go up. I got my resume updated and out...... __________________ Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turn skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.----- Leonardo Da Vinci

September 28th, 2005, 18:24	#6
Bog Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,170	Oh how I hate this industry more and more each day... __________________ "To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid." - Anon

September 29th, 2005, 14:58	#7
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Bog I agree. I am so burned out on the airline industry. __________________ Once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turn skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to return.----- Leonardo Da Vinci

September 29th, 2005, 18:00	#9
MQAAord Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Looney Bin Posts: 9,406	All I have to say to DALPA is DON'T BRING A POCKETKNIFE TO A GUNFIGHT! __________________ PPL SEL 100-ish hours TT Former American Airlines F/A (12 months) Former Simmons/Eagle F/A (6 years) Former Eagle ground school instructor (1 year) Former Eagle IOE instructor (3 years)

October 20th, 2005, 02:55	#11
mrivc211 Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 2,052	I've said it before, and I'll say it again, organized labor has gone to Shi*t in this country. No pay should equal no work. Unity is the only way.

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