Just hired by Delta...

jimday1982 · April 11th, 2005, 19:05

I'm not sure if I should be excited or nervous being as they're on the verge of filing bankruptcy. I'm not coming on as a pilot, but as a web developer/marketing professional. I'm wondering if anyone has any inside informaiton about Delta's financial well-being right now or any other related information that will help ease my mind. Do you see Delta going under anytime soon? Thank you for your thoughts!

Doug Taylor · April 11th, 2005, 19:09

Welcome to the biz.

Lesson #1: Any airline is a bad week away from filing bankruptcy. Was certainly that way in 1926, certainly this way in 2005.

Lesson #2: If we've got serious marketing people asking a bunch of pilots on an internet forum about airline viability, we're doomed.

Have a nice day!

jimday1982 · April 11th, 2005, 19:13

Haha, just remember...you heard it here first.

flyover · April 11th, 2005, 19:13

Bankrupt, probably. Out of existence, unlikely. Involved in a merger in which some departments will see layoffs, 60/40. Big changes in the next year or two, definitely.

Good luck. Enjoy.

DAL Balance Sheet

BCTAv8r · April 11th, 2005, 21:05

Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition?

blee256 · April 11th, 2005, 23:22

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Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition?

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I have a strong feeling that the FTC wouldnt let that happen.

kellwolf · April 12th, 2005, 03:49

I agree. Unless Southwest et al get majorly huge and there's competition on int'l routes from foreign carriers, I doubt the trade comission would approve a large scale merger like that. They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago, even though I don't think that was even a serious offer. Now, if the industry went back into regulation, we'd see a series of shotgun mergers ala 1936 (or whenever the Brown Act went into effect). I don't see that happening in the near future, though.

kailuaboy · April 12th, 2005, 14:14

blee256, you currently flying for Island Air?

Send me PM please, i tried sending one to you.

blee256 · April 13th, 2005, 00:51

[ QUOTE ]
. They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago, even though I don't think that was even a serious offer.

[/ QUOTE ]

yet they approved the TWA/ AA merger.

Screaming_Emu · April 13th, 2005, 05:10

[ QUOTE ]
They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago

[/ QUOTE ]

so that begs a question that has been in my mind for a while. Do you guys think that would have been 2 bad things put together=really bad, or two negatives=a positive.

Tim · April 13th, 2005, 15:49

Welcome to the big Widget. I work in ACS in ATL. Like Doug said we are a few weeks or months from filing. There is so much change going on that its hard to keep up with it all. Mtc seems to be the new cuts for now. They have probably already cut the area were hired for. Just try to keep an open mind and head on a swivel...and good luck..

Doug Taylor · April 13th, 2005, 16:37

I never mentioned anything specific, nor do I know, nor am I going to presume things of which I do not know. Nor am I going to play the 'squeeze the creditors' game the way some folks wanted me to help them play 'squeeze the pilot contract' game either.

But I'm certainly not going to willingly play 'financial market pawn' and 'viral advertising' for anyone.

kailuaboy · April 13th, 2005, 19:44

blee... sorry, i got your PM, but, it says that i CANT PM you... that your thing is not accepting PM's.

Whats your total time and multi-time that you got hired with? I know their looking for 1000tt and 100multi i believe.

Thanks,
Ivan

SmitteyB · April 13th, 2005, 21:09

[ QUOTE ]
Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition?

[/ QUOTE ]

Monopoly. Just like Microsoft.

kellwolf · April 14th, 2005, 00:54

If all the legacies became one big carrier, then ticket prices would jump and loads would go down. You'd hear a lot of passengers complaining about "those greedy airlines" and how they can't fly to see grandma for under $100 anymore. Yet, Disney can jack ticket prices another $20 a person, and no one would flinch.....

ready2fly · April 14th, 2005, 10:21

Delta...as in the Major airline...not Delta Connection the regional...hiring again??? When did that happen??

EatSleepFly · April 14th, 2005, 12:19

Delta employs folks in other positions besides the pointy end of their airplanes, R2F.

Kristie · April 14th, 2005, 15:51

SA dude...

I've been wanting to say that for awhile now.. lemme do it again!

SA dude!!

jonnyb · April 14th, 2005, 17:37

[ QUOTE ]
how they can't fly to see grandma for under $100 anymore. Yet, Disney can jack ticket prices another $20 a person, and no one would flinch.....

[/ QUOTE ]
The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland.

kellwolf · April 14th, 2005, 23:45

[ QUOTE ]
The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I was using Disney as a comparison, but since you brought it up. Before the LCC revolution, no one complained about how expensive it was to fly from MSP-middle of nowhere, at least no where NEAR what they do now. Now that people have gotten used to flying to middle of nowhere for $99 one way, if the ticket prices were to go up, then they would start screaming bloody murder. How about this then. Movie theatres. The ticket prices keep going up exponentially, but you don't hear the outcry over that you would over Delta raising fairs $10 each way. Besides, you can always get to grandma's the old fashioned way: drive.

kailuaboy · April 14th, 2005, 23:57

Thats pretty interesting, ive never thought of it like that before. The movie tickets are definately rediculous, but, luckily for me, i still look like a student and im in the military, so i get military discounts (at participating places, the rest are just Mother F*#&Kin @ssHoles, everywhere should have military discounts)

Ivan

JEP · April 15th, 2005, 00:03

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland.

[/ QUOTE ]

.....Before the LCC revolution, no one complained about how expensive it was to fly from MSP-middle of nowhere, at least no where NEAR what they do now......

[/ QUOTE ]

Hey, easy on the MSP bashing !

We're hardly the middle of nowhere. As a side note, in regards to Disney, more people came through the doors of the Mall of America (in a MSP suburb, stones throw from the apt.) than the Disney parks.

I know there was no harm intended, it's just late at work and I saw MSP pop up in conversation. I had to speak up ! You could have picked any city for the comparison but MSP popped into your mind. At least we know you're thinking about us.

kellwolf · April 15th, 2005, 00:26

Actually, I was thinking of NWA'a insanely high ticket prices most of the time. MEM-Appleton, WI with 6 months notice was like $800/person. Thanks, I'll drive.

JEP · April 15th, 2005, 00:34

[ QUOTE ]
Actually, I was thinking of NWA'a insanely high ticket prices most of the time. MEM-Appleton, WI with 6 months notice was like $800/person. Thanks, I'll drive.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'll agree with you there, they do get a higher price here seeing they are the big dog. I wonder how it will be if they get there wish and move non-NWA partners out of the Main terminal. One of the good things is you can get a non-stop just about anywhere you'd want to go from here, but then again it will cost you some times. Luckily for me the places I want to go are served by Sun Country/America West....(i.e. Vegas baby). BTW, MEM-Appleton is now listing at about $320....

ready2fly · April 19th, 2005, 19:48

[ QUOTE ]
Delta employs folks in other positions besides the pointy end of their airplanes, R2F.

[/ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
SA dude...

I've been wanting to say that for awhile now.. lemme do it again!

SA dude!!

[/ QUOTE ]
D'OH!!!

April 11th, 2005, 19:13	#3
jimday1982 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 19	Re: Just hired by Delta... Haha, just remember...you heard it here first.

April 11th, 2005, 19:13	#4
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: Just hired by Delta... Bankrupt, probably. Out of existence, unlikely. Involved in a merger in which some departments will see layoffs, 60/40. Big changes in the next year or two, definitely. Good luck. Enjoy. DAL Balance Sheet

April 11th, 2005, 21:05	#5
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,079	Re: Just hired by Delta... Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition?

April 11th, 2005, 23:22	#6
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,614	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition? [/ QUOTE ] I have a strong feeling that the FTC wouldnt let that happen.

April 12th, 2005, 03:49	#7
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Just hired by Delta... I agree. Unless Southwest et al get majorly huge and there's competition on int'l routes from foreign carriers, I doubt the trade comission would approve a large scale merger like that. They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago, even though I don't think that was even a serious offer. Now, if the industry went back into regulation, we'd see a series of shotgun mergers ala 1936 (or whenever the Brown Act went into effect). I don't see that happening in the near future, though.

April 11th, 2005, 19:05	#1
jimday1982 Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Newport News, VA Posts: 19	Just hired by Delta... I'm not sure if I should be excited or nervous being as they're on the verge of filing bankruptcy. I'm not coming on as a pilot, but as a web developer/marketing professional. I'm wondering if anyone has any inside informaiton about Delta's financial well-being right now or any other related information that will help ease my mind. Do you see Delta going under anytime soon? Thank you for your thoughts!

April 11th, 2005, 19:09	#2
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just hired by Delta... Welcome to the biz. Lesson #1: Any airline is a bad week away from filing bankruptcy. Was certainly that way in 1926, certainly this way in 2005. Lesson #2: If we've got serious marketing people asking a bunch of pilots on an internet forum about airline viability, we're doomed. Have a nice day!

April 12th, 2005, 14:14	#8
kailuaboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CLE Posts: 302	Re: Just hired by Delta... blee256, you currently flying for Island Air? Send me PM please, i tried sending one to you.

April 13th, 2005, 00:51	#9
blee256 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: lower canada Posts: 1,614	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] . They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago, even though I don't think that was even a serious offer. [/ QUOTE ] yet they approved the TWA/ AA merger.

April 13th, 2005, 05:10	#10
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] They nixed the United/US Air deal a couple of years ago [/ QUOTE ] so that begs a question that has been in my mind for a while. Do you guys think that would have been 2 bad things put together=really bad, or two negatives=a positive.

April 13th, 2005, 15:49	#11
Tim Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 2,205	Re: Just hired by Delta... Welcome to the big Widget. I work in ACS in ATL. Like Doug said we are a few weeks or months from filing. There is so much change going on that its hard to keep up with it all. Mtc seems to be the new cuts for now. They have probably already cut the area were hired for. Just try to keep an open mind and head on a swivel...and good luck..

April 13th, 2005, 16:37	#12
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,589 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just hired by Delta... I never mentioned anything specific, nor do I know, nor am I going to presume things of which I do not know. Nor am I going to play the 'squeeze the creditors' game the way some folks wanted me to help them play 'squeeze the pilot contract' game either. But I'm certainly not going to willingly play 'financial market pawn' and 'viral advertising' for anyone.

April 13th, 2005, 19:44	#13
kailuaboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CLE Posts: 302	Re: Just hired by Delta... blee... sorry, i got your PM, but, it says that i CANT PM you... that your thing is not accepting PM's. Whats your total time and multi-time that you got hired with? I know their looking for 1000tt and 100multi i believe. Thanks, Ivan

April 13th, 2005, 21:09	#14
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,954	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] Here's a stupid but interesting thought, what would happen if all the legacy carriers united as one big carrier? What would this do to the industry? Wouldn't they be making some good money as there would be little competition? [/ QUOTE ] Monopoly. Just like Microsoft.

April 14th, 2005, 00:54	#15
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Just hired by Delta... If all the legacies became one big carrier, then ticket prices would jump and loads would go down. You'd hear a lot of passengers complaining about "those greedy airlines" and how they can't fly to see grandma for under $100 anymore. Yet, Disney can jack ticket prices another $20 a person, and no one would flinch.....

April 14th, 2005, 10:21	#16
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,143	Re: Just hired by Delta... Delta...as in the Major airline...not Delta Connection the regional...hiring again??? When did that happen??

April 14th, 2005, 12:19	#17
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Just hired by Delta... Delta employs folks in other positions besides the pointy end of their airplanes, R2F.

April 14th, 2005, 15:51	#18
Kristie Big Chief's Woman Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Posts: 18,213 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Just hired by Delta... SA dude... I've been wanting to say that for awhile now.. lemme do it again! SA dude!!

April 14th, 2005, 17:37	#19
jonnyb Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: So. California Posts: 1,304	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] how they can't fly to see grandma for under $100 anymore. Yet, Disney can jack ticket prices another $20 a person, and no one would flinch..... [/ QUOTE ] The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland.

April 14th, 2005, 23:45	#20
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I was using Disney as a comparison, but since you brought it up. Before the LCC revolution, no one complained about how expensive it was to fly from MSP-middle of nowhere, at least no where NEAR what they do now. Now that people have gotten used to flying to middle of nowhere for $99 one way, if the ticket prices were to go up, then they would start screaming bloody murder. How about this then. Movie theatres. The ticket prices keep going up exponentially, but you don't hear the outcry over that you would over Delta raising fairs $10 each way. Besides, you can always get to grandma's the old fashioned way: drive.

April 14th, 2005, 23:57	#21
kailuaboy Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: CLE Posts: 302	Re: Just hired by Delta... Thats pretty interesting, ive never thought of it like that before. The movie tickets are definately rediculous, but, luckily for me, i still look like a student and im in the military, so i get military discounts (at participating places, the rest are just Mother F*#&Kin @ssHoles, everywhere should have military discounts) Ivan

April 15th, 2005, 00:03	#22
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,727 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The ever important desire of staying in touch with family is just a little bit different that being able to go to Disneyland. [/ QUOTE ] .....Before the LCC revolution, no one complained about how expensive it was to fly from MSP-middle of nowhere, at least no where NEAR what they do now...... [/ QUOTE ] Hey, easy on the MSP bashing ! We're hardly the middle of nowhere. As a side note, in regards to Disney, more people came through the doors of the Mall of America (in a MSP suburb, stones throw from the apt.) than the Disney parks. I know there was no harm intended, it's just late at work and I saw MSP pop up in conversation. I had to speak up ! You could have picked any city for the comparison but MSP popped into your mind. At least we know you're thinking about us.

April 15th, 2005, 00:26	#23
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Just hired by Delta... Actually, I was thinking of NWA'a insanely high ticket prices most of the time. MEM-Appleton, WI with 6 months notice was like $800/person. Thanks, I'll drive.

April 15th, 2005, 00:34	#24
JEP Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Eden Prairie, MN (KFCM) (KMSP) Posts: 10,727 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] Actually, I was thinking of NWA'a insanely high ticket prices most of the time. MEM-Appleton, WI with 6 months notice was like $800/person. Thanks, I'll drive. [/ QUOTE ] I'll agree with you there, they do get a higher price here seeing they are the big dog. I wonder how it will be if they get there wish and move non-NWA partners out of the Main terminal. One of the good things is you can get a non-stop just about anywhere you'd want to go from here, but then again it will cost you some times. Luckily for me the places I want to go are served by Sun Country/America West....(i.e. Vegas baby). BTW, MEM-Appleton is now listing at about $320....

April 19th, 2005, 19:48	#25
ready2fly Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: DFW Posts: 7,143	Re: Just hired by Delta... [ QUOTE ] Delta employs folks in other positions besides the pointy end of their airplanes, R2F. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] SA dude... I've been wanting to say that for awhile now.. lemme do it again! SA dude!! [/ QUOTE ] D'OH!!!

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