2009 ATC Pay Bands / Locality Rates / Facility Levels

[Tony Montero]

Originally Posted by SinglemomATChopeful

Ok, either I picked a place that is REALLY going to suck or one of the graphs on this link isn't complete. I am hoping for ZAN of A11 but it looks like they don't qualify for locality pay. Is this true? Alaska is really friggin' expensive so I hope that that graph is just incorrect.

Alaska is treated like the other locations outside of the continental US such as Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico, etc. They get a COLA (Cost Of Living Adjustment) instead of locality. You can find the COLA pecentages here: http://www.opm.gov/oca/cola/rates.asp

Originally Posted by badbudda

You've done a great job explaining the pay bands, etc. I am confused on one thing though. At the very top left side of the chart under Career Level there is CPC/TMC/TMS as well as minimum and maximum pay. What determines if you receive the minimum or maximum? Why would someone get the minimum and another the maximum pay? Is this determined by your appraisal reports?

Everyone starts at the minimum pay. The maximum pay is just a cap that you can't exceed during the course of your career as you get raises and such that accumulate over a 20-30+ year career.

[propcircles]

Originally Posted by SinglemomATChopeful

Ok, either I picked a place that is REALLY going to suck or one of the graphs on this link isn't complete. I am hoping for ZAN of A11 but it looks like they don't qualify for locality pay. Is this true? Alaska is really friggin' expensive so I hope that that graph is just incorrect.

AK gets COLA (cost of living adj.) and for this year ZAN gets 23% (and going down 1% each year). It's really not much compared to actual living costs in AK, but it is tax free (as opposed to locality pay).

[mkeflyer]

Originally Posted by propcircles

Just wondering, why would my FOL not reflect this new scale? Class starts in February, but the salary is based on the old pay.

Straight from my HR rep: If your effective date is after 1/1/09, then yes you will be paid the increased amount.

[MAVRICKNY]

There is one minor detail that is wrong, it mentions that you get your raise when you complete your training in OKC, but in reality you get your facility payafter you complete the Basics part of your training in OKC if you are off the street.

[K-Dog]

Oh, so people destined for a center actually get the higher pay for a portion of the time they are still at the Academy?

[GeorgeM]

Originally Posted by K-Dog

Oh, so people destined for a center actually get the higher pay for a portion of the time they are still at the Academy?

Instead of "facility pay", I think that should read "locality pay". e.g. Denver is 22.03%, vs 13.86% for OKC.

[BoomerSooner77]

Originally Posted by MAVRICKNY

There is one minor detail that is wrong, it mentions that you get your raise when you complete your training in OKC, but in reality you get your facility payafter you complete the Basics part of your training in OKC if you are off the street.

Then why does your FOL read that you won't get the "AG" pay until you arrive at your facility?

Originally Posted by GeorgeM

Instead of "facility pay", I think that should read "locality pay". e.g. Denver is 22.03%, vs 13.86% for OKC.

Facility pay is the "AG" line, before you check out on anything... has nothing to do with locality.

[MAVRICKNY]

Don't know what your TOL's or FOL's say but i do know what i got paid while i was in basics and what my check was after i got out of it into my next class. As for locality pay, everyone gets that no matter where you are in the process i.e. class or facility

[JimmyDean]

Originally Posted by MAVRICKNY

There is one minor detail that is wrong, it mentions that you get your raise when you complete your training in OKC, but in reality you get your facility payafter you complete the Basics part of your training in OKC if you are off the street.

That is news to me... GOOD news! Thanks for the heads-up!

[esw2005]

Are we paid bi weekly or once a month. Does anyone know when the pay period starts and ends

[nathanw]

Originally Posted by esw2005

Are we paid bi weekly or once a month. Does anyone know when the pay period starts and ends

Paid every other Tuesday. Pay periods are Sunday through Saturday the week following, and paid the 2nd Tuesday after the end of the pay period. Make sense?

http://www3.nbc.gov/customer/personn...ll%20Schedules

[K-Dog]

I printed out one of the paysacales and at the bottom it said as of Jan 4th 2009, controller pay is capped at 177k including locality pay. Has there always been a law capping the pay, or is that new? I guess I just don't understand the significance of it, considering people only get paid according to the pay scale, so why do thye need a law limiting the pay as well?

[moulds80]

Originally Posted by K-Dog

I printed out one of the paysacales and at the bottom it said as of Jan 4th 2009, controller pay is capped at 177k including locality pay. Has there always been a law capping the pay, or is that new? I guess I just don't understand the significance of it, considering people only get paid according to the pay scale, so why do thye need a law limiting the pay as well?

I pretty sure that 177K is a cap for salaried managers and administrators. The cap does not include controllers who may have a very high base pay and work tons of overtime which could put them above 177K.

[88MPH]

I searched but couldn't find a definite number for academy pay. 6pk of Sam Adams to the 1st person that knows the real answer.

[AJR531]

The Academy pay rate is approximately $17540/year before locality is added. This also does not include the per diem.

[jcpilot]

Originally Posted by AJR531

The Academy pay rate is approximately $17540/year before locality is added. This also does not include the per diem.

My TOL lists my salary at the academy as $21,574, which is $17,540 multiplied by 1.23, since I get a 23% COLA.

[PantherFlyer13]

Originally Posted by jcpilot

My TOL lists my salary at the academy as $21,574, which is $17,540 multiplied by 1.23, since I get a 23% COLA.

Just to clarify, not everyone receives a "COLA" per say. A Cost of Living Adjustment/Allowance is an extra benefit I believe controllers overseas and outside the 48 contiguous states are afforded (i.e.: Alaska, Hawaii, maybe even Guam and Puerto Rico). Since you are going to Anchorage TRACON, I believe you are entitled to a COLA. But what most controllers receive is known as a Locality Adjustment.

There are two distinct differences between a COLA and Locality Adjustment:

1. A COLA is not taxable income, whereas Locality is taxed.
2. A COLA does not factor into the High-3 calculation for your pension, whereas Locality does.

As with all rules, bear in mind that the new NATCA-FAA contract may change the "COLA" incentive to a locality in order to synchronize pension plans and predictions across the board. Time will tell.

[Beehive]

2009 ATC Pay Bands / Locality Rates / Facility Levels = A joke.
Thanks Obama... I mean Forrey...Wait...
Vote Ruth Marlin for NATCA sake.

[greg1016]

Originally Posted by Beehive

2009 ATC Pay Bands / Locality Rates / Facility Levels = A joke.
Thanks Obama... I mean Forrey...Wait...
Vote Ruth Marlin for NATCA sake.

OMG you are an idiot, 2009 pay went into effect under the Bush Administration under imposed work rules. And getting a new NATCA president will not change anything now since contract negotiations are already in binding arbitration.

It must be a full moon, the flamers are out in full force today.

[swinte00]

Originally Posted by greg1016

It must be a full moon, the flamers are out in full force today.

[queeno]

beehive cant help it he is one of those old BITTER controllers that has been around for years............................................. ............................... no wait he has only been the FFA 6 or 7 months...............................now isnt that special

ra ra sis boom ba gooooooooooooo FFA

[greg1016]

I'd be bitter too if I'd been working under imposed work rules for the last 3 years.

I'd like to see the pay band for OKC trainees and developmentals under the green book.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by greg1016

I'd be bitter too if I'd been working under imposed work rules for the last 3 years.

I'd like to see the pay band for OKC trainees and developmentals under the green book.

if i remember in 2003, a dev controller at ZAU with 2 radars was making as much as a new cpc today.we had contract tower controllers who had no radar time starting at $100,000 working the a-side.

[ladiesolo]

It's been some months now since this question was asked. Does anyone now have a definite on what the "Note: CCF only" means towards the bottom of the pay band chart?

[ladiesolo]

Originally Posted by ladiesolo

It's been some months now since this question was asked. Does anyone now have a definite on what the "Note: CCF only" means towards the bottom of the pay band chart?

I sure hope someone responds soon...otherwise I'll HAVE to create a new thread!