Starting a new career

CHayes1126 · July 14th, 2008, 20:48

I am about to be furloughed from an airline. Back in college I completed my degree and went ahead and got an ATC minor. I did not take the required class to be considered ATCTI complete (I can, its only one class). My question is, im looking to get out of the airline business and pursue my minor. The only problem is, I really have no idea how to get started. Can anyone offer me any advice? Ive been reading the boards but you guys have more acronyms than pilots! Thanks in advance.

ATC Hopeful · July 14th, 2008, 20:50

You just need to apply for the next OTS announcement and get in line with the rest of us.

CHayes1126 · July 14th, 2008, 21:02

When do these announcements come out?

GQ007 · July 14th, 2008, 21:26

Every single month a new one appears, there may be one out now that you may be able to apply to....one word of advice once you do start applying don't stop until you recieve a FOL (or at least a TOL).

GnW · July 14th, 2008, 21:45

I went to a CTI school for 4 years (currently 3 history classes from my degree). If you don't want to spend an extra 5 weeks in the academy, you could finish your degree. Or you could do what I did and just apply off the street. It won't hurt... and from what I've experienced, the OTS hirings are WICKED fast compared to CTI. What takes most CTI grads over 6 months to get done, the FAA is now accomplishing in under 3 with the OTS guys. I'm a little put off by it after watching fellow classmates get screwed (it's still going on), but whatever. OKC here I come

ATC Hopeful · July 14th, 2008, 21:56

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Originally Posted by CHayes1126

When do these announcements come out?

I am thinking that there will be another one posted in the next few weeks.

CHayes1126 · July 14th, 2008, 22:56

Thanks guys, whats TOL and FOL?

BoomerSooner77 · July 14th, 2008, 23:02

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Originally Posted by CHayes1126

Thanks guys, whats TOL and FOL?

TOL - Thinking Of Life
FOL - Frightened Of Life.

I kid, I kid... TOL - Tentative Offer Letter. FOL - Final (Firm) Offer Letter.

pm577 · July 15th, 2008, 02:50

Tentative/Final Offer Letter

venividibitchy · July 15th, 2008, 03:51

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Originally Posted by GnW

I went to a CTI school for 4 years (currently 3 history classes from my degree). If you don't want to spend an extra 5 weeks in the academy, you could finish your degree. Or you could do what I did and just apply off the street. It won't hurt... and from what I've experienced, the OTS hirings are WICKED fast compared to CTI. What takes most CTI grads over 6 months to get done, the FAA is now accomplishing in under 3 with the OTS guys. I'm a little put off by it after watching fellow classmates get screwed (it's still going on), but whatever. OKC here I come

Where did you get 3mos. from? The fastest I've seen was the 2/15, and they're just finishing their PEPCs now.

gourgi18 · July 15th, 2008, 04:10

I'm in the same boat with you. I am just hoping I can hold on to my job and benefits until after the PEPC if I make it that far.

chichi · July 15th, 2008, 05:09

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Originally Posted by CHayes1126

I am about to be furloughed from an airline. Back in college I completed my degree and went ahead and got an ATC minor. I did not take the required class to be considered ATCTI complete (I can, its only one class). My question is, im looking to get out of the airline business and pursue my minor. The only problem is, I really have no idea how to get started. Can anyone offer me any advice? Ive been reading the boards but you guys have more acronyms than pilots! Thanks in advance.

Basically, keep reading up on things around the forum. Apply to the next OTS announcement (should be PUBNAT5 unless they change their system on us), which will probably open up before the end of July... I'm sure someone will post here when it's available, since that's how it's been going the past few announcements. Once you apply, you wait... and wait... and wait... keep applying to all the OTS announcements until you are hired, so if you don't get picked up from PUBNAT5, you've already applied to PUBNAT6,7,etc...

pmatc · July 15th, 2008, 06:01

Watch out for the age catch too. Must be hired prior to turning 31. I am not sure if that affects you or not but wouldn't want to see you jump ship for a liferaft that isn't there.

GnW · July 15th, 2008, 10:06

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Originally Posted by venividibitchy

Where did you get 3mos. from? The fastest I've seen was the 2/15, and they're just finishing their PEPCs now.

in my opinion, the hiring process starts when they start asking for your paperwork.

pm577 · July 15th, 2008, 11:57

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Originally Posted by GnW

in my opinion, the hiring process starts when they start asking for your paperwork.

I'd agree. From what I undertsood, the FAA lady said that from the interview to OKC would take over 6 months, and now its under 3 months (or less than 1 month for some people here).

She said there are people who interviewed last year (non-PEPC) who are still waiting to complete all the little medical and security parts of their application. Hence, PEPC is substantially faster.

Freezer41 · July 16th, 2008, 03:21

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Originally Posted by GnW

What takes most CTI grads over 6 months to get done, the FAA is now accomplishing in under 3 with the OTS guys.

CTI grad 5/5/08, CTI application closed 5/30/08, Referral List 6/05/08, PEPC invite 7/01/08. Timelines are changing for all types of hires

GnW · July 16th, 2008, 09:58

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Originally Posted by Freezer41

CTI grad 5/5/08, CTI application closed 5/30/08, Referral List 6/05/08, PEPC invite 7/01/08. Timelines are changing for all types of hires

oh, i didnt realize CTIs were even invited to PEPCs

Luftwaffe · July 16th, 2008, 12:00

yeah, but you have to watch out for where the PEPC invited came from, if you graduate from CTI and also applied OTS. If you are invited to the PEPC from the OTS, it doesn't matter if you've graduated, you must still re-complete the first 5 week basics course at OKC, which CTI grads don't have to complete. Not that big of a deal, just came as a suprise to a few people I know that thought they were being called from the CTI side, when really they were being called from a previous OTS application. They will not add the credit for completing the CTI degree to your OTS application.

GnW · July 16th, 2008, 12:50

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Originally Posted by Luftwaffe

yeah, but you have to watch out for where the PEPC invited came from, if you graduate from CTI and also applied OTS. If you are invited to the PEPC from the OTS, it doesn't matter if you've graduated, you must still re-complete the first 5 week basics course at OKC, which CTI grads don't have to complete. Not that big of a deal, just came as a suprise to a few people I know that thought they were being called from the CTI side, when really they were being called from a previous OTS application. They will not add the credit for completing the CTI degree to your OTS application.

I'd be worried about it if I had graduated

But 3 classes away so I'll take my 5 weeks over 4 more months of school

Johnsc81 · July 16th, 2008, 13:05

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Originally Posted by CHayes1126

I am about to be furloughed from an airline. Back in college I completed my degree and went ahead and got an ATC minor. I did not take the required class to be considered ATCTI complete (I can, its only one class). My question is, im looking to get out of the airline business and pursue my minor. The only problem is, I really have no idea how to get started. Can anyone offer me any advice? Ive been reading the boards but you guys have more acronyms than pilots! Thanks in advance.

Did you Graduate from Riddle? If so, then i am assuming you are Missing AT 302.....is that about right.

Freezer41 · July 16th, 2008, 13:34

I was told I was selected for the CTI application. But I don't care either way as the OTS application I got to select counties so it may be worth 5 more weeks to get placed in a location I desire

Luftwaffe · July 16th, 2008, 13:56

FYI, If you're OTS and interested in getting a head start on the first 5 week course at OKC, I have the entire book on my computer (edited for materials that cannot be copied outside of the FAA). PM me if you want to take the time to download the 2.5 GB

Luftwaffe · July 16th, 2008, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Freezer41

I was told I was selected for the CTI application. But I don't care either way as the OTS application I got to select counties so it may be worth 5 more weeks to get placed in a location I desire

agreed, 5 weeks is well worth it.

CHayes1126 · July 16th, 2008, 20:23

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Originally Posted by Johnsc81

Did you Graduate from Riddle? If so, then i am assuming you are Missing AT 302.....is that about right.

Exactly right

Johnsc81 · July 17th, 2008, 00:45

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Originally Posted by CHayes1126

Exactly right

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but since you already have your Bachelors, then you are SOL because in order to get the ATCTI recommendations you have to finish all the CTI Requirements BEFORE recieving your Degree, otherwise they can't recommend you. That is the positions I am in right now, I am completely ready to graduate with 2 degrees, but i have to keep putting off graduation until I finish all my CTI requirements, or get offered an OTS position. Which ever one comes first...

Just keep applying to the OTS announcements. With the way they are hiring, you would probably get picked up OTS before the next CTI announcement comes out any ways.....

July 14th, 2008, 20:48	#1
CHayes1126 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 4	Starting a new career I am about to be furloughed from an airline. Back in college I completed my degree and went ahead and got an ATC minor. I did not take the required class to be considered ATCTI complete (I can, its only one class). My question is, im looking to get out of the airline business and pursue my minor. The only problem is, I really have no idea how to get started. Can anyone offer me any advice? Ive been reading the boards but you guys have more acronyms than pilots! Thanks in advance.

July 14th, 2008, 20:50	#2
ATC Hopeful Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: GA Posts: 324	Re: Starting a new career You just need to apply for the next OTS announcement and get in line with the rest of us. __________________ 05/02- OTS App. #2 05/28- AT SAT approved 06/16- AT SAT email 06/30- OTS App. #4 07/09- At SAT test date 07/14- At SAT score 100 07/17- OTS App. #5 08/11- GEO PREF. (GA,TN) 08/18- OTS App. #6

July 14th, 2008, 21:02	#3
CHayes1126 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 4	Re: Starting a new career When do these announcements come out?

July 14th, 2008, 21:26	#4
GQ007 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 143	Re: Starting a new career Every single month a new one appears, there may be one out now that you may be able to apply to....one word of advice once you do start applying don't stop until you recieve a FOL (or at least a TOL).

July 14th, 2008, 21:45	#5
GnW Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Nashua Posts: 284	Re: Starting a new career I went to a CTI school for 4 years (currently 3 history classes from my degree). If you don't want to spend an extra 5 weeks in the academy, you could finish your degree. Or you could do what I did and just apply off the street. It won't hurt... and from what I've experienced, the OTS hirings are WICKED fast compared to CTI. What takes most CTI grads over 6 months to get done, the FAA is now accomplishing in under 3 with the OTS guys. I'm a little put off by it after watching fellow classmates get screwed (it's still going on), but whatever. OKC here I come

July 14th, 2008, 22:56	#7
CHayes1126 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Fort Worth Posts: 4	Re: Starting a new career Thanks guys, whats TOL and FOL?

July 15th, 2008, 02:50	#9
pm577 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Northern CA Posts: 593	Re: Starting a new career Tentative/Final Offer Letter __________________ movin' trains, night and day ATC applicant 02/08 NY PEPC, July 9th Terminal in the Bay Area, CA Clearances approved, waiting...

July 15th, 2008, 04:10	#11
gourgi18 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: austin Posts: 38	Re: Starting a new career I'm in the same boat with you. I am just hoping I can hold on to my job and benefits until after the PEPC if I make it that far.

July 15th, 2008, 06:01	#13
pmatc Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Louisville Posts: 52	Re: Starting a new career Watch out for the age catch too. Must be hired prior to turning 31. I am not sure if that affects you or not but wouldn't want to see you jump ship for a liferaft that isn't there. __________________ Are you serious with that?

July 16th, 2008, 12:00	#18
Luftwaffe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 69	Re: Starting a new career yeah, but you have to watch out for where the PEPC invited came from, if you graduate from CTI and also applied OTS. If you are invited to the PEPC from the OTS, it doesn't matter if you've graduated, you must still re-complete the first 5 week basics course at OKC, which CTI grads don't have to complete. Not that big of a deal, just came as a suprise to a few people I know that thought they were being called from the CTI side, when really they were being called from a previous OTS application. They will not add the credit for completing the CTI degree to your OTS application. __________________ OTS App - 2/15 AT-SAT - 3/18 (95.4) Geo Pref - 5/2 (GA, FL) Referral List - 6/6 Selected for ZTL - 6/20 NY PEPC & TOL - 7/7 Clearances received - 8/8 FOL - 9/12 OKC - 10/2 War Eagle!

July 16th, 2008, 13:34	#21
Freezer41 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 121	Re: Starting a new career I was told I was selected for the CTI application. But I don't care either way as the OTS application I got to select counties so it may be worth 5 more weeks to get placed in a location I desire __________________ 02/08 - AT-SAT 05/08 - Grad UAA 05/30/08 - CTI APP 06/06/08 - CTI List 07/25/08 - MEM PEPC, TOL: LAX 09/30/08 - OKC

July 16th, 2008, 13:56	#22
Luftwaffe Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 69	Re: Starting a new career FYI, If you're OTS and interested in getting a head start on the first 5 week course at OKC, I have the entire book on my computer (edited for materials that cannot be copied outside of the FAA). PM me if you want to take the time to download the 2.5 GB __________________ OTS App - 2/15 AT-SAT - 3/18 (95.4) Geo Pref - 5/2 (GA, FL) Referral List - 6/6 Selected for ZTL - 6/20 NY PEPC & TOL - 7/7 Clearances received - 8/8 FOL - 9/12 OKC - 10/2 War Eagle!

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