Big Incentive

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by NFW JR

You know, Im gonna have to step in here. To the vets of the FAA, I understand the problem and theses guys posting seem like they wanna help. You talk about CTI's and OTS', well im not either. The chair comment, you cant say that to me. Ive sat in that chair and ive done the job. Dont pick on these guys because they are going through THIER OWN PERSONAL HELL to get, not your job, but a job in that chair. Its not thier fault that NATCA and the FAA couldnt get things straight together, so stop taking it out on them. They arent the supervisors that are doing you wrong, HELL, they arent even FAA yet. You tell me who is the sell out>? the guy who dosent take the job and lets his FAMILY starve or the guy who takes the job for less money and fills that "empty seat?" Some of us dont have that "choice" so when you say its the peoples fault who are taking that job, remember, they arent the ones really doing the injustice.

It REALLY makes you sound more credible when you SPELL CHECK and use punctuation .... THEIR not THIER I before E rule

The rule only applies to digraphs, so words like "deity" and "science" don't count.
The rule "i before e except after c" should be extended to include "except when said 'ay' as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'".
The rule only applies to digraphs that have the /i:/ ('ee') pronunciation, as in 'piece'. (Note the conflict between this and the previous item.)
The rule doesn't apply to words that are recent imports from foreign languages, such as "gneiss", "dreidel", and "enceinte".
The rule doesn't apply to the large number of plurals of words ending in "cy" ("fallacies", "frequencies", "vacancies", ... ) because in the UK – in traditional RP – "cies" is pronounced with the "i" of "pin", even though it is pronounced with the "ee" of "feed" by most World-English speakers and by younger UK speakers

[SoonerATC]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

It REALLY makes you sound more credible when you SPELL CHECK and use punctuation

Hmm...it does, doesn't it? ::cough:: queeno ::cough::

[10SM CLR]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

It REALLY makes you sound more credible when you SPELL CHECK and use punctuation .... THEIR not THIER I before E rule

The rule only applies to digraphs, so words like "deity" and "science" don't count.
The rule "i before e except after c" should be extended to include "except when said 'ay' as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'".
The rule only applies to digraphs that have the /i:/ ('ee') pronunciation, as in 'piece'. (Note the conflict between this and the previous item.)
The rule doesn't apply to words that are recent imports from foreign languages, such as "gneiss", "dreidel", and "enceinte".
The rule doesn't apply to the large number of plurals of words ending in "cy" ("fallacies", "frequencies", "vacancies", ... ) because in the UK – in traditional RP – "cies" is pronounced with the "i" of "pin", even though it is pronounced with the "ee" of "feed" by most World-English speakers and by younger UK speakers

[NFW JR]

The message guys, the message. Ill take misspelling a couple of words while writing in a hurry to get the message out. Really, if i wanted to be spell checked, i would of hit the button myself. Now really, do we think its they new guys fault or not? Your at ATL, thats one of the hardest hit facilities. Should we really pick on our own?

[10SM CLR]

Originally Posted by NFW JR

The message guys, the message. Ill take misspelling a couple of words while writing in a hurry to get the message out. Really, if i wanted to be spell checked, i would of hit the button myself. Now really, do we think its they new guys fault or not? Your at ATL, thats one of the hardest hit facilities. Should we really pick on our own?

I agree with you NFW JR. I am one of the new guys, but I have been in the other position as well in past jobs when working in a union shop. There really is nobody to point the finger at except those that are making the decision at the top.

[ATLTRACON]

I would not call them selfish. I would call them individuals who have no other option if they want to be an FFA ATCS

[ATC RET 2003]

Originally Posted by rctaber

So Reagan fired all the ATCs so he could give you better conditions and higher pay than they were asking for? That doesn't make sense to me.

It didn't happen that way...

Prior to the strike, the FAA's final offer was a $2500 pay increase, 15% night differential and a guaranteed 30 minute meal break. That was implemented (at least partially) after everybody got fired and the then noobs started coming on board. So.... what queeno said:

the controllers hired after 1981 were makeing MORE MONEY than the PATCO controllers and the work rules were BETTER not WORSE than what PATCO had to put up with

is pretty accurate.

[ATC RET 2003]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

I can't find the name of it anymore, but there was a great book out by F. Lee Bailey (
yes that guy) who helped found PATCO.

"Cleared for the Approach: In Defense of Flying"

[ATC RET 2003]

Originally Posted by 10SM CLR

Queeno,

Just curious what facility you work at? I haven't made my geographic preferences yet because I'm still trying to determine what facilities NOT to pick. Kind Regards.

Nice barb. But in case you really want to know... C90... he's posted it a few times before. Also, I've already won the 5,000 beers.

[ATLTRACON]

Originally Posted by ATC RET 2003

"Cleared for the Approach: In Defense of Flying"

Have that book, but it's not it.

[rctaber]

Originally Posted by ATC RET 2003

It didn't happen that way...

Prior to the strike, the FAA's final offer was a $2500 pay increase, 15% night differential and a guaranteed 30 minute meal break. That was implemented (at least partially) after everybody got fired and the then noobs started coming on board. So.... what queeno said:



is pretty accurate.

Which supports my argument that the replacement controllers took less that what PATCO was demanding just as we are taking less than what current/vet controllers are demanding. Therefore, if us newbies take less than what the current controllers think is fair and we are selfish for doing that then the people hired after 1981 are also selfish because they took less than what PATCO was demanding.

[nathanw]

Originally Posted by 10SM CLR

Queeno,

Just curious what facility you work at? I haven't made my geographic preferences yet because I'm still trying to determine what facilities NOT to pick. Kind Regards.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by rctaber

Which supports my argument that the replacement controllers took less that what PATCO was demanding just as we are taking less than what current/vet controllers are demanding. Therefore, if us newbies take less than what the current controllers think is fair and we are selfish for doing that then the people hired after 1981 are also selfish because they took less than what PATCO was demanding.

you got to be kidding me?????????? let me explain it one more time .in 1981 a GS14 step 1 at C90 base pay was about $46,000, in 1981 after the PATCO strike a GS14 step 1 was making about $46,000. in 2005 the base pay for a controller at C90 was about $116,000, after sept 3 2006 the base pay for controller at C90 is $92,000.you see its LESS MONEY.i dont care what PATCO asked for the pay rate did not change but increased with a %5 controller pay along with OJTI pay which correct me is about $2300 and close to the $2500 that the FFA offered .we were not asking for more money in 2005 we were asking to keep the pay scale intact.and what happened ???????????the pay was REDUCED.

let me get on thing stright i dont give a crap if you folks take the job or not it dose not affect me in the least,you are screwing your selves the FFA will use there number and say all the nubees are happy with the pay and work rules and there will be no need to change them.get it??????? just like the per diem issue which you noobs can thank the CTIs for.

[surreal1221]

The ignorance seeps greatly with these guys.

Unbelievable.

So glad I'm out of this game. Sad thing is, I'm not going to have much trust for the quivvering voice on the other end keeping me away from other guys at 340/350.

Spectacular.

[queeno]

Originally Posted by surreal1221

The ignorance seeps greatly with these guys.

Unbelievable.

So glad I'm out of this game. Sad thing is, I'm not going to have much trust for the quivvering voice on the other end keeping me away from other guys at 340/350.

Spectacular.

TCAS is you friend, TCAS is you friend, TCAS is your friend.

[ATC RET 2003]

Originally Posted by ATLTRACON

Have that book, but it's not it.

Shazbot! And that was my only guess.

[JT ATC]

I love how people on here who DON'T work for the FAA and AREN'T controllers tell ACTUAL controllers they are wrong. Weird...hmm...

Anyway, I love this job. I'm already a rated controller, burned through training, and was told I have a natural ability for this job. Does this mean I'm gonna go to ZID with a big head? Hell no. For one, I'm rated at a level 6 facility. I still have ALOT more to learn. And it's not because I"m super smart or could score a 100 on my AT-SAT (highly doubt I would), its just that I just have that special blend of characteristics that give the ability to do this job. And I've already proven it.

Anyway, I hope everyone on this board gets a job and gets rated. But the reality is not everyone will. So for those of you talking trash, I'd keep your mouth shut until you are rated. Your trainers won't want to help you if you are cocky or have an attitude. They have been putting up with enough crap, they dont' care about you. All that matters in this job is you are worthless until you are rated. Then you may have an opinion on the FAA, other controllers, NATCA, PATCO and whatever else your heart desires.

Thank you come again.

[rctaber]

Originally Posted by JT ATC

I love how people on here who DON'T work for the FAA and AREN'T controllers tell ACTUAL controllers they are wrong. Weird...hmm...

Did you even read this thread? Based on your comments I am guessing no. I know I am someone who is not an ATC telling an ATC (you) they are wrong but let me recap...

A comment was made that anyone taking this job under the current salary structure is selfish and doesn't care about their fellow controllers. I am assuming you were hired after 2005 so that would make you selfish. Do you agree with that? I don't. I made the argument that if the current applicants and newbies are selfish you could call anyone who took the job after the 81 strike selfish for taking less than what 10,000 people were fired for demanding. Apparently that is a bad argument because no one agrees but i in no way said anyone was wrong in what they said (except for the selfish comment).

I see queeno's point after thinking about it all day. In 81 they weren't forced to take pay cuts like they were in 05 so maybe that is not the best argument. However, i still don't think new hires should be viewed as selfish because, as my boy ATC Ret 2003 has said time and time again, the FAA want the controllers fighting among themselves. So as long as the new hires are viewed as selfish by the Vets, nothing will change. Congrats to you for breezing thru training and rating out but that is totally irrelevant to this conversation.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by queeno

TCAS is you friend, TCAS is you friend, TCAS is your friend.

Yeah. . .

Just keep up the good work queeno, and all the other well established controllers who are trying to bring the truth.