Pictures of Our Aircraft

[FightingFalconInstructor]

Here are pictures of our aircraft. C-172's and a Piper Seneca with EHSI, garmin GNS-430WAAS, dual attitude and heading indicators, dual transponders and in Jan 08 XM weather. You won't find a nicer panel in another training school's twin piston aircraft. We teach the spectrum from 6 pack round dial VOR to full GPS LPV approaches.

Carl

[Cessnaflyer]

Please spell check the website from errors.

Your website is a place of first impressions and you should make it as correct as possible.

[FightingFalconInstructor]

Wiil do, but to quote from Dr. McCoy in Star Trek " I'm a pilot Jim, not an english major". but your are absolutely correct.

[daru1]

Originally Posted by FightingFalconInstructor

Wiil do, but to quote from Dr. McCoy in Star Trek " I'm a pilot Jim, not an english major". but your are absolutely correct.

that's what I call good holiday humor :P

[Swen]

Sweet looking units. I <3 the EHSI.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Cessnaflyer

Please spell check the website from errors.

Your website is a place of first impressions and you should make it as correct as possible.

Your so perfect at the age of 23 with your 172 Captain hat on! Your not worthy to tie these guys shoes!

PM SENT

[DenverPilot8]

I have to say that the website is pretty bland. Beleive me I'm not one of those people that get caught up in the marketing of a flashy website. But really though I think ATP, CareerPilotSchool, and Flight Safety all have great websites. Of course the website is not the only thing that makes a good flight school. I'm sure the instructing is great. But I think that websites DO drive business or at least some interest. If you don't look legit online (even if you totally are) I think that you might steer some people away. Anyway no offense directed at all just my opinion. If you guys are a good school I hope you do well.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by DenverPilot8

I have to say that the website is pretty bland. Beleive me I'm not one of those people that get caught up in the marketing of a flashy website. But really though I think ATP, CareerPilotSchool, and Flight Safety all have great websites. Of course the website is not the only thing that makes a good flight school. I'm sure the instructing is great. But I think that websites DO drive business or at least some interest. If you don't look legit online (even if you totally are) I think that you might steer some people away. Anyway no offense directed at all just my opinion. If you guys are a good school I hope you do well.

MOST CFI's these days are 300 hour guys! Some have never been in a cloud. I got my CFI from an old guy that flew Hellcats off a carrier. You'll learn more from an old EXPERIENCED guy , that you know is not gonna leave for another job after 10 lessons , then from some young 20 to 25 year old kid!

These guys will run CIRCLES around the young 300 hour CFI s at ATP! There is no comparison.

Do you want to learn how to fly or how to make a website? I got a HEADACHE now , where are my aspirins?

[DenverPilot8]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

MOST CFI's these days are 300 hour guys! Some have never been in a cloud. I got my CFI from an old guy that flew Hellcats off a carrier. You'll learn more from an old EXPERIENCED guy , that you know is not gonna leave for another job after 10 lessons , then from some young 20 to 25 year old kid!

These guys will run CIRCLES around the young 300 hour CFI s at ATP! There is no comparison.

Do you want to learn how to fly or how to make a website? I got a HEADACHE now , where are my aspirins?

Like I said the website has nothing to do with how good their CFI's are. And I agree that experienced Military/Airline pilots would make better CFI's then a new 25 year old CFI. But that is irrelevent to the fact that their webiste isn't very good. Impression does matter doesn't it? I mean in a time when kids are getting hired by regionals with an RJ program (which it seems that most on this webiste agree does not make a better pilot) it becomes more about the "impression" the airline has about the RJ course just like someone gets a good or a bad "impression" from the website.

Beleive me I'm not attacking this school at all. I'm already commited to ATP but Accessible Aviations price and program made me raise my eyebrow.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by DenverPilot8

Like I said the website has nothing to do with how good their CFI's are. And I agree that experienced Military/Airline pilots would make better CFI's then a new 25 year old CFI. But that is irrelevent to the fact that their webiste isn't very good. Impression does matter doesn't it? I mean in a time when kids are getting hired by regionals with an RJ program (which it seems that most on this webiste agree does not make a better pilot) it becomes more about the "impression" the airline has about the RJ course just like someone gets a good or a bad "impression" from the website.

Beleive me I'm not attacking this school at all. I'm already commited to ATP but Accessible Aviations price and program made me raise my eyebrow.

If I were you , I'd cancel my check at ATP and go check these guys out! I bet you go through 5 instructors just for your private alone at ATP. I used to fly corporate with a guy that had B 52 time in Nam , and 5000 PIC in a 727. I learned more from him then any young kid that has never been in a cloud! If I were you , I'd go and check these guys out . ATP is a good school , but its a pilot mill. You learn just enough to get your tickets. These old military guys are much better then the ATP kids!

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

Your so perfect at the age of 23 with your 172 Captain hat on! Your not worthy to tie these guys shoes!

PM SENT

Wow that was a bit harsh. I agree with the guy with the gun. There are a ton of spelling and grammar issues on the website. Additionally, a nice professionally done website will make your organization look like more than just a dog and pony show. I'm sure the caliber of instruction and airplanes are fine, but people will never know with a website that is poorly constructed. It's just one of those "cost of doing business" things nowadays.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Wow that was a bit harsh. I agree with the guy with the gun. There are a ton of spelling and grammar issues on the website. Additionally, a nice professionally done website will make your organization look like more than just a dog and pony show. I'm sure the caliber of instruction and airplanes are fine, but people will never know with a website that is poorly constructed. It's just one of those "cost of doing business" things nowadays.

I'm speechless ..................

Todays youth

[Chris_Ford]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

I'm speechless ..................

Todays youth

Todays "youth" might just be your customer base. I'm not so sure you (if you are a representative of this company) are doing a good job at convincing anyone as to why one should go there.

Look, my criticism was purely constructive as was everyone else's but you've been extremely defensive and even insulted people who were SIMPLY TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

Not getting off on the right foot, IMO.

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

I'm speechless ..................

Todays youth

Maybe you should be speechless if you're going to come across so rough. The guy makes a good point and you belittle him for his flight experience. You could have taken the opportunity to gently prod him in the right direction. Yes, I agree with CF you were absolutely harsh. When I read CessnaFlyers post, I thought maybe he should check his spelling. When I read your post, I figured you should check your attitude. I'm no spring chicken either young fella!

. . . just callin' 'em likes I sees 'em.

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Todays "youth" might just be your customer base. I'm not so sure you (if you are a representative of this company) are doing a good job at convincing anyone as to why one should go there.

Look, my criticism was purely constructive as was everyone else's but you've been extremely defensive and even insulted people who were SIMPLY TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

Not getting off on the right foot, IMO.

When I first read it,
I thought you were in your new kitchen uniform. By the way Merry Christmas Chris. (put the girl back up)

[Cessnaflyer]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Wow that was a bit harsh. I agree with the guy with the gun. There are a ton of spelling and grammar issues on the website. Additionally, a nice professionally done website will make your organization look like more than just a dog and pony show. I'm sure the caliber of instruction and airplanes are fine, but people will never know with a website that is poorly constructed. It's just one of those "cost of doing business" things nowadays.

Thanks Chris for the support on seeing things the way of a sane person.

Also for Glen to make gross generalizations of the quality of my instruction, then read this:

My instruction and education of life has been obtained from a former Naval Commander who graduated from the Academy with many degrees, a Mitchell bomber pilot that was shot down and captured in Germany who happens to be my grandfather and a former Lear weather mod pilot with experience all over the world. I am one of the luckiest students to be able to hear stories and gain experience from some of the most educated people in the aviation field. Yes you were right on some things of only having around 800TT and about 60 in actual but that doesn't make me any less of a person then you. Being able to work in the digital aviation field has also allowed me to understand how a well constructed website can help in the business world.

To the original poster I have to say the flight school and the quality of instruction looks great and in no way was the post to be regarded as an insult to your organization.

[Chris_Ford]

(can't put the girl back up because that's apparently me "bragging" and means that I'm all that's wrong in the world I guess... Sorry!)

/time to re-rail the thread

[Cessnaflyer]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

Maybe you should be speechless if you're going to come across so rough. The guy makes a good point and you belittle him for his flight experience. You could have taken the opportunity to gently prod him in the right direction. Yes, I agree with CF you were absolutely harsh. When I read CessnaFlyers post, I thought maybe he should check his spelling. When I read your post, I figured you should check your attitude. I'm no spring chicken either young fella!

. . . just callin' 'em likes I sees 'em.

Check my spelling?

I'm always perfect like Glen said!

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Cessnaflyer

Check my spelling?

I'm always perfect like Glen said!

Only my dog Plici and my wife are perfect!

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by bumblebee

Maybe you should be speechless if you're going to come across so rough. The guy makes a good point and you belittle him for his flight experience. You could have taken the opportunity to gently prod him in the right direction. Yes, I agree with CF you were absolutely harsh. When I read CessnaFlyers post, I thought maybe he should check his spelling. When I read your post, I figured you should check your attitude. I'm no spring chicken either young fella!

. . . just callin' 'em likes I sees 'em.

LOL , I'm not young!

[Bumblebee]

Originally Posted by Cessnaflyer

Thanks Chris for the support on seeing things the way of a sane person.

Let's not go overboard . . .

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by Chris_Ford

Todays "youth" might just be your customer base. I'm not so sure you (if you are a representative of this company) are doing a good job at convincing anyone as to why one should go there.

Look, my criticism was purely constructive as was everyone else's but you've been extremely defensive and even insulted people who were SIMPLY TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

Not getting off on the right foot, IMO.

I'm not a representative of the company. I just heard about them today.

My point is this: An older Military instructor will be better then a young instructor.

Also , have a little respect for your elders in the Aviation community { especially veterans with their credentials } , pm them about their spelling , don't call them out over the whole net.

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by DenverPilot8

I have to say that the website is pretty bland. Beleive me I'm not one of those people that get caught up in the marketing of a flashy website. But really though I think ATP, CareerPilotSchool, and Flight Safety all have great websites. Of course the website is not the only thing that makes a good flight school. I'm sure the instructing is great. But I think that websites DO drive business or at least some interest. If you don't look legit online (even if you totally are) I think that you might steer some people away. Anyway no offense directed at all just my opinion. If you guys are a good school I hope you do well.

I won't comment on the marketability or the ease of viewing pages of the website, but what I did do was to look at the substance of what was provided. I was impressed as were a couple of other potential students who were looking for an organization with substance and not flash. . .and also important, not on the east coast, i.e. - Florida. No, the site wasn't flashy, but it showed strength of character, substance of information, and maturity. . .as if a member of the organization put their inputs into making it personal vice some marketing entity. That I liked.

. . .and it's close too. No concerns about the bad weather (snow); the area is not caught up in the hustle and bustle of people or crime. The cost of living over there is ideal, and you definitely get more bang for the buck.

[GlenWimpy]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

I won't comment on the marketability or the ease of viewing pages of the website, but what I did do was to look at the substance of what was provided. I was impressed as were a couple of other potential students who were looking for an organization with substance and not flash. . .and also important, not on the east coast, i.e. - Florida. No, the site wasn't flashy, but it showed strength of character, substance of information, and maturity. . .as if a member of the organization put their inputs into making it personal vice some marketing entity. That I liked.

. . .and it's close too. No concerns about the bad weather (snow); the area is not caught up in the hustle and bustle of people or crime. The cost of living over there is ideal, and you definitely get more bang for the buck.

I like their web site! Is it flashy and Eye popping? No but its nice , well done and very informative.

But , their credentials , and the stability of having the same {MILITARY TRAINED AND QUALIFIED } instructor for your entire training , you want get that ANYWHERE in todays market! Once these guys get a little more exposure , they'll have a LONG waiting list! When Older Professional Pilots want a place for their son or daughter , and they see this place , THEN they'll be flooded with more students then they can handle!

LOL , Do you want to learn how to fly or how to make a web site?

[FightingFalconInstructor]

Whooooa! Let's everybody calm down.
1. I don't care what someone's experience level is, they have something to offer in this business. I learn from every student, espically the pre-solo students! My son was 13 when he suggested a different power setting for patterns in the Seneca (he only had about 25 hours in it at the time). I have been using and teaching it ever since.
2. Maybe the website isn't the fanciest, but I choose to keep it simple so I can make rapid changes as the industry changes. For me to have a professional web site manager I would have to significantly boost prices. Would it really be the deciding factor over price, airplanes, experience of instructors etc?
3. Every student has different requirements so I can't put a "cookie-cutter" web site and packages up. For example, I have three Instrument-Commercial students starting in Jan and each one is using a different financing package and is getting slightly different flying hour combinations to get them their ratings they desire in a cost effective manner.
4. I am ALWAYS open to ways to improve the business. The "negative" post are often the most helpful!


Merry Christmas to all!