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Originally Posted by PDT565  ATP does an excellent job of teaching the student exactly what the FAA deems important. |
Funny.... many of the locations teach what they know the examiner will test on and not even all of what the PTS requires. I got in trouble more then once for teaching too much and using too much time on issues. Funny thing is when I taught a student how to do a turn around a point I got, "Our DPE wont do that on the checkride for for future privates dont do that." Hmm Interesting. Well in order for me to sign her off for her checkride I must say I gave in training in that and if I didnt I will not sign her off. One of many issues I can point on. Point taken I rest assure.
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Originally Posted by PDT565 Lets remember that at ATP (part 61), there are no in house check rides. Like at Riddle, Phoenix East, Delta Connection. ATP's students are evaluated by DPE's or the FSDO. |
Two parts here. What do you call Pete there in Daytona Beach? Last time I checked hes the manager of ATP in DAB. He also is a DPE. Wonder if he has any pressure to pass students. Also ATP states during Indoc if you have any issues with the DPE's let them know and they will, "take care of them." Simply saying you do it our way, in our plane and you will get students or you dont and you wont. Thus ATP has their examiners that will do it a certain way and know their "taining."
Secondly I had a student whom could not afford to take his last checkride. He requested to take his CSEL/CFI Single with the FSDO. The manager and Jim refused to let him do so. They told him either he does it with a DPE or no one at all. If you want to debate it I will give you his name and cell and you can call him yourself. Lastly the FSDO is ONLY used if the student is going for their initial and only then if the FSDO can fit it in to their schedules. Other then that they are all DPE's. Lastly the only two DPE's in my time I saw who were not pressured by ATP were Erinie and Walt. Both of whom have more respect with the FAA then ATP and thus if ATP were to try to screw either of them, they'd end up screwing themselves.
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Originally Posted by PDT565 The proof is in the end result; If you finish ATP in 90 days, and the FAA has signed off on your ratings, then you CAN in fact learn that quickly. |
You want to take on a psychology major and others on this forum who have neruoscience degrees (masters and doctorates) about how the brain works and how much is truely can process? I dont think I even want to waste my breath going there. Search on google cognitive psychology and also brain/behavior psychology and let me know what you learn about the brain and how much it truely can retain. There's a reason doctors and others dont get their degree in 90 days. Wild thought I know.
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Originally Posted by PDT565 Here's another example of why the 90 day program is a great choice over an FBO style program. If Mr. Meyers had gone with ATP in the begining instead of an FBO, he'd most likely have the seniority to keep his job when they furlough. |
Actually by going to the FBO route I was able to get my degree. I am in a position with my furlough to indeed have a job that pays me 60k and it will be up to me if I want to go back. I have job security and it lined up. However just a little FYI about Jetcareers and mods please look into this. We are not a trashy website. To point out about somones furlough and job loss is a very trashy move. Really not a class act and I hope to see better out of you in the future. Furloughs in this career happen. There are pleanty of people who are getting let go who went to ATP. So that point is rather irrelevant and just shows your lack of class. In addition I have about 28k in debt. Thank god I dont have 80k just in flight loans and without a job as many are whom went to ATP and other programs. I'll take my route any day of the week. To each their own.
Lastly this industry has a funny way of being small. The brides you burn now will not be there later to help you cross the many obstacles you may face in this industry. Perhaps you are at PDT now and that's great. However things happen quick and rather rapid in this industry. I really would wish you nothing but the best with your future and if you are in 121 your job. However as great as things were at my company 6 months ago they turn quick. My company today, it could be yours tomorrow. With that I hope its not but its the way of the world. Just ask you to keep that in mind. Again hind sight in 20/20 and after you re read your own post perhaps you will see that some of your points, mostly the last paragraph was off centered and classless.