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BillH · July 18th, 2008, 01:57

I see fat pilots all over, For Jet Blue, Regionals, and even on Lear jets.
Truth to the matter, everyone is very judgmental and for the person that is obese, life is much less fair in that regard. Maybe you can win some battles in court but your never going to win over 10,000 years of genetic programming of people to be judgmental about weight. I've seen the worst of it, you need to do what you need to do for your self, no one else.
After losing my 260lbs with diet and exercise, I am saddened by how much better I am treated by others and the automatic respect I gained for simply not being fat. If you've never been there, you would never understand it. ATP is very judgmental. I don't want to name names but I've seen a certain old white shirt crack jokes to people in JAX, a new class of new hires about being sumo wrestlers because of their weight, a certain white shirt made comments to me as he sat next to me in the DA40 about being too damn big for it, and comments everyone made about one person in JAX who rode a moped to the school. Heck, first day of standardization for me, I wore shorts, that was enough to get some white shirt making comments to an ATP employee about me. You would really think they would have more important things to discuss or work on than to eat their own young for sport? No, ATP is a dog eat dog world unless you go to a small location like Stuart. You will still end up in JAX though one way or another.
You know though, it probably is part of the formula, maybe they are that way on purpose, to get all their students used to the corporate side of the airlines, to realize that you ARE just a number and something to be judged fairly or not.
And with all the comments about Jim, from my own personal experience, he is one of the few at ATP who will tell you the honest to goodness truth as to "WHY". He told you the truth, he didn't make up an excuse. I respect him for that. And when you ever talk to Jim, don't ever make up excuses, he nor the airlines respect that, he wants to hear you accept responsibilities for your own actions. Thankfully I never had to contend with that during my ACPP training.
Ok, back to the origial topic. People are people, you can not change the world, the world is not fair, only thing you can control is yourself. Take this experience as motivation if you so choose. My reasons to lose the weight had nothing to do with Aviation. I simply realized, "Hey I can be a pilot now, screw being an Air Traffic Controller!"

July 18th, 2008, 01:57	#37
BillH Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Naples Posts: 509 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Have to leave ATP only a week in... I see fat pilots all over, For Jet Blue, Regionals, and even on Lear jets. Truth to the matter, everyone is very judgmental and for the person that is obese, life is much less fair in that regard. Maybe you can win some battles in court but your never going to win over 10,000 years of genetic programming of people to be judgmental about weight. I've seen the worst of it, you need to do what you need to do for your self, no one else. After losing my 260lbs with diet and exercise, I am saddened by how much better I am treated by others and the automatic respect I gained for simply not being fat. If you've never been there, you would never understand it. ATP is very judgmental. I don't want to name names but I've seen a certain old white shirt crack jokes to people in JAX, a new class of new hires about being sumo wrestlers because of their weight, a certain white shirt made comments to me as he sat next to me in the DA40 about being too damn big for it, and comments everyone made about one person in JAX who rode a moped to the school. Heck, first day of standardization for me, I wore shorts, that was enough to get some white shirt making comments to an ATP employee about me. You would really think they would have more important things to discuss or work on than to eat their own young for sport? No, ATP is a dog eat dog world unless you go to a small location like Stuart. You will still end up in JAX though one way or another. You know though, it probably is part of the formula, maybe they are that way on purpose, to get all their students used to the corporate side of the airlines, to realize that you ARE just a number and something to be judged fairly or not. And with all the comments about Jim, from my own personal experience, he is one of the few at ATP who will tell you the honest to goodness truth as to "WHY". He told you the truth, he didn't make up an excuse. I respect him for that. And when you ever talk to Jim, don't ever make up excuses, he nor the airlines respect that, he wants to hear you accept responsibilities for your own actions. Thankfully I never had to contend with that during my ACPP training. Ok, back to the origial topic. People are people, you can not change the world, the world is not fair, only thing you can control is yourself. Take this experience as motivation if you so choose. My reasons to lose the weight had nothing to do with Aviation. I simply realized, "Hey I can be a pilot now, screw being an Air Traffic Controller!"