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vladi34 · July 17th, 2008, 01:14

So found out yesterday that ATP actually has Cessna 172's with 180 HP engines that are the same empty weight as the ones with the 160 HP but allow 100 extra lbs for takeoff weight. We did the weight and balance on these aircraft and found out that I am well within the CG and max takeoff weight for those models with full fuel and the heaviest instructor at our location. On top of that there is TWO of them at the Fulton County airport just 40 miles away! Spoke with Jim Koziarski, their Vice President of Operations, today on this matter asking him if I could continue on with my program since we found out this new info. His answer was no that I could not because even though ATP does have a few aircraft that would meet my needs and let me fly with full fuel my condition would not fit into their "Operational Standards", he explained that with saying that if they needed me to move an aircraft for them from one location to another and it did not happen to be the 180 horse then I would not be able to. I guess that I was under the wrong impression that I was paying them to teach me to fly and not to use my money to have me mpve airplanes around. He also said that basically each one of my flights would have to have "administrative oversight" to make sure that I was flying the correct plane, and that was just not efficient for them. Uuuhhh administrative oversight, what the heck?!? Bring one of the 180 HP Cessna's from Fulton to LZU and tell me that I can only fly that one, and that is what I will do... Does not seem that hard to me, or if you don't want to move that plane send me to Fulton for my Private Program.
Then he went on to say "We also need to look at the bigger picture and in your current condition you are going to be unhierable by the airlines. We train airline pilots here and I would not think it would be good if we trained you and you could not get hired by anyone." I kind of see where he was going with that, but once again I paid them to train me to fly and not to make the decision if I will be hierable or not, that should be up to me.
All in all I think that this is a bunch of corporate bull. To be fair I must say that Jim was very curtious during our conversation and he did say that if I took car of my "condition" I would be welcome back (like I would ever go back there after this). But at the same time "I'm sorry to hear that." response to me saying that I asked people that worked for him if my weight was going to be a problem and that the same manager of that facility saw me back in March when I toured the place and none of them gave me a heads up that I would not be able to fly, does me absolutely no good. I am the one that quit my job, I am the one that left his family back home, I am the one that spend money to come here. And you tell me that you are sorry to hear that while you fly around on a Citation jet. That is bull crap! And something I will not stand for.

July 17th, 2008, 01:14	#13
vladi34 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Des Moines Posts: 54	Re: Have to leave ATP only a week in... So found out yesterday that ATP actually has Cessna 172's with 180 HP engines that are the same empty weight as the ones with the 160 HP but allow 100 extra lbs for takeoff weight. We did the weight and balance on these aircraft and found out that I am well within the CG and max takeoff weight for those models with full fuel and the heaviest instructor at our location. On top of that there is TWO of them at the Fulton County airport just 40 miles away! Spoke with Jim Koziarski, their Vice President of Operations, today on this matter asking him if I could continue on with my program since we found out this new info. His answer was no that I could not because even though ATP does have a few aircraft that would meet my needs and let me fly with full fuel my condition would not fit into their "Operational Standards", he explained that with saying that if they needed me to move an aircraft for them from one location to another and it did not happen to be the 180 horse then I would not be able to. I guess that I was under the wrong impression that I was paying them to teach me to fly and not to use my money to have me mpve airplanes around. He also said that basically each one of my flights would have to have "administrative oversight" to make sure that I was flying the correct plane, and that was just not efficient for them. Uuuhhh administrative oversight, what the heck?!? Bring one of the 180 HP Cessna's from Fulton to LZU and tell me that I can only fly that one, and that is what I will do... Does not seem that hard to me, or if you don't want to move that plane send me to Fulton for my Private Program. Then he went on to say "We also need to look at the bigger picture and in your current condition you are going to be unhierable by the airlines. We train airline pilots here and I would not think it would be good if we trained you and you could not get hired by anyone." I kind of see where he was going with that, but once again I paid them to train me to fly and not to make the decision if I will be hierable or not, that should be up to me. All in all I think that this is a bunch of corporate bull. To be fair I must say that Jim was very curtious during our conversation and he did say that if I took car of my "condition" I would be welcome back (like I would ever go back there after this). But at the same time "I'm sorry to hear that." response to me saying that I asked people that worked for him if my weight was going to be a problem and that the same manager of that facility saw me back in March when I toured the place and none of them gave me a heads up that I would not be able to fly, does me absolutely no good. I am the one that quit my job, I am the one that left his family back home, I am the one that spend money to come here. And you tell me that you are sorry to hear that while you fly around on a Citation jet. That is bull crap! And something I will not stand for.