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Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I'd recommend a quick phone call to ATP to find that out. I'm sure they will be willing to discuss that with you.

I think Bob has the correct answer for your original question of "what is ATP promising its employees and students?.

Originally Posted by moose

I happen to agree with you DE727UPS. I'm not concerned with what ATP will try to sell to new students but whether or not these new guys have been keeping up with whats going on. Has ATP addressed the issues of perhaps not having a job 2 months after being hired? Have ACPP students thought about a back up? Is ATP still doing on sight interviews?

How long have you been in the industry? This isnt the first time the industry has seen a downturn like this. When I went to ATP about 5 years ago practically no one was hiring. At the time all the instructors were shooting for 1000tt to get on with CHQ. They were about the only ones growing.

Why would ATP addressing the issue of being jobless in 2 months? If you sell burgers, do you tell people they are gonna get fat? Or if you sell cars, that next your car will be worth 30% less? I dont know what ATP is telling people. But if was answering the phone, I would say somehting like this

"yeah the industry is hurting right now, but keep in mind once you start here, it will be 8 months to a year AT LEAST before you have the requirements to move on to an airline. And with this volatile industry, who knows who'll be hiring next year. Eight months to a year ago today everyone and their mom was hiring, so things can change in an instant! But even if it takes a little longer, the ACPP package comes with your CFIs certs, so you can instruct as long as need be"

Originally Posted by moose

EDIT* Plus those agreements are a big part of ATPs marketing and I was curious if the possibility of not finding a job is ever mentioned during "indoc."

Contrary to popular belief, ATP doesn't exist to make pilots, it exists to make money.Just like any other business. Do i agree with all the academies marketing practices? no. Do I think a 7 day CRJ FTD course and 300 hours is enough to fly an RJ? NO! But as a business if offering that program gets you $$. you better sell the heck out of it.

Bottom line is (like you said) Everyone needs to do their research, A fool and his money are soon parted i think is the phrase.

Originally Posted by moose

I payed ATP's old price of 35k and I hate opening that bill. $450/month on that, $500/month in rent, car insurance and groceries... i mean, thats $200/month to live on... say you are conservative and spend $40/day during a 4 day trip... thats 200 gone... you have no money left to pay yourself at the end of the month.

1)4 X 40 = $160.
2) if you're spending 40 bucks a day on food, you're definitely not being conservative. Even in MSP where food is $$ if you spend more than 25 a day, you're eating way too much.