[Tiger815]

Condolences to the familes.

Another tough one to understand. Photo's showed a very short, straight ground scar indicating contact at a pretty steep angle, but not spinning. Looked too steep to have been CFIT, or a engine out landing attempt gone bad. Makes you wonder if there may have been a medical emergency or some other huge distraction on board, or perhaps it was a stall, spin that he almost recovered but ran out of altitude.

Unless there were witnesses, this will probably be another of those that sticks with you for a while as you try to learn from it.