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Old December 15th, 2007, 14:01   #72
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Default Re: Stating the obviously unbovious

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Originally Posted by wheelsup View Post
I don't think I've seen anything in this thread to support your statement.

So?

Why do you feel you deserve more? What is your business justification for it, aside from you think you're worth more? And if you do, why in the world did you accept the job!?!

The great thing about capitalism is we aren't forced to do anything. Were you forced to take the "undakinerpaid" position as a regional FO? No. I'm not saying don't work for higher wages, we can all use it, but I find it ironic that someone talks about shutting down an entire sector of our economy because they aren't happy with the pay, which they knowingly accepted.

Unfortunately, I think the high pay actually works against us, as we are more willing to accept lower pay initially with the hope of "making it big".
You're saying, "Don't complain about pay, you knew what you were getting into."

I say, "Complain about pay, work rules, everything. I knew what I was getting into, and I intend on changing things. If we don't try to make things better, management WILL work to make things worse."

If you don't understand that very basic tenant about negotiating a higher pay rate under the rules that we're stuck with, then you'll never get a better contract. Our job, with the way this system is structured (that system being collecting bargaining), is to try to extract as much money as we can from management. Management's job is to get us to work for as little as possible.

There is no "we deserve to make X amount" in this job, we simply deserve to make more because if we're not working towards that, then from a historical perspective you see things moving backwards. One group, either the managers or the pilot, is ALWAYS moving to make the other side give up more, and if one of those two groups is not then the other side wins by default.
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