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Originally Posted by surreal1221  Man you're full of tricks. |
Very mature.
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Originally Posted by surreal1221 No one has suggested shutting down the NAS, and crippling the country. |
If noone goes to work for the FAA, that is exactly what will happen.
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Originally Posted by surreal1221 Yes, controllers hired after the strike worked under work rules that others would not. . .but you know what. . .they faught to bring some respectability to the profession. Something those being hired off the street now will also have to do, that is, if they feel that they value their own professional skills as such. If not, then hey, work for peanuts. But know you're making this decision as a collective profession. |
No arguement there. Why don't you come in and join the fight if your still under 30? Your not doing anything sitting on the sidelines. The pay is still better than a regional airline, though I admit the pay and QOL could get better if your lucky enough to make it to the majors or a nice corprate gig.
If you are over 30, why don't you stop destructively criticizing those that want to get into the proffession, and provide constructive criticism to those that ask questions?
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Originally Posted by surreal1221 If it is really US Controller's goal to be the lowest paid western civilization controllers on the world then more power to you. At least that way you guys can come to a collective decision as a group. Unfortunately (for you, and those who decide this I suppose) the larger collective group of NATCA will not allow it to happen. |
Of course that shouldn't be anyone's goal. However, simply taking a job durring a time of impasse when it is critical to get new guys in to keep the NAS running is not doing that.
I realize things are bad now. I also realize they will get better. They will get better by joing the fight. I definitely intend to support NATCA.
At the same time, my country comes before my profession. I will not cripple it. I support NATCA, but if they get to greedy I will stop supporting them and draw a line. At this point in time, I agree management is too greedy and needs to get back to the table.
I only swear allegance to the United States of America, not any union, management, or any other organization.
I believe in equality. If the union or management gets to greedy, I will join the other's fight. Call me scum, but we all have a greater purpose, a greater goal than just making money for ourselves.
I don't believe in much, but I do believe in this country.
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Originally Posted by surreal1221 One more thing. Show me where I have attacked anyone. I'd love to see this. |
I really hate repeating myself but here is one example:
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Originally Posted by surreal1221 I really can't understand why anyone would be willing to go and work for the FAA right now. It's all a sham.
Makes me wonder where all these new guys are coming from. Were they part of the CTI program(s), that when you started such programs initial hire pay was in the mid-50's to upper 60's depending on facility (post OKC)? Not even to mention the fact that you were told you would top out well into six figures (none of this 105k a year crap either).
I understand the military guys leaving their organizations for the civilian world. . .good on you. . .but to everyone else in the CTI programs. . .i yi yi. Don't forget the FAA imposed the current "non-"tract onto you, after lieing to you about what you WOULD be making.
Off the street hires. . .ah great. . .that'll work. I am seriously concerned for the safety and quality of our NAS as we move into the next decade. It's going to be amazing. Reminds me of the McDonald's commercials where they showcased each person's current position "cashier, manager, cook" and then showed what they would be doing in the "future." The drive thru individual today is tomorrow's "Air Traffic Controller" because they once wore a headset and talked to people. . .so sad.
Just say no. |
Anyway, how about we stick to issues now and stop the personal bickering. I appologize if you do. How about just being a little kinder in your criticism when people ask about ATC and I'll be a little kinder to your situation? Bash Management all you want, don't bash those going in. Fair enough?