Thread: Seaplane Rating
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Old September 29th, 2007, 06:12   #7
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Default Re: Seaplane Rating

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Originally Posted by zmiller4 View Post
Uhhh.....

You're saying you could instruct in something you're not certified to fly?

I think that may be pushing interpretation of the regs a little far.
You don't need to be certified to fly a plane in order to give instruction it it. All you need is to be certified to instruct in the plane. A CFI-A gives you the ability to act as a "authorized instructor" in an airplane. A seaplane is still a plane, so you can indeed instruct in it.

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All of the above comments give me cause for concern. If you're a student and you want to learn how to fly seaplanes, then how do you know if your instructor knows his way around a seaplane? How can one make sure that they're getting a genuinely qualified instructor? Do they log their seaplane hours as such and then you ask to see their logbook?
Acting as PIC in an airplane and instructing in an airplane are two different things. A CFI-A with no seaplane rating can instruct in a seaplane, but can't act as PIC.

For example:

If a student has never touched a sea plane before, and a CFI hasn't touched one either, neither person can act as PIC. Therefore this situation is illegal.

If a student already has a seaplane rating, and the CFI has never touched a sea plane before, the "student" acts as PIC, and the instructor can give all the instruction he/she wants.

For instance, a guy owns his own seaplane and is A-SES wants to get a commercial, so he comes to me to teach him lazy-8s and 8's on pylons. All I would need to do this is a CFI-A.

How about this: a never-before-touched-a-seaplane student in the left seat, a C-SES pilot in the right seat, and a never-before-touched-a-seaplane CFI-A in the back. The CFI can legally log dual given, as long as he/she is actually giving instruction (there was a thread about this a while ago). But can this instruction be used as the basis for a certificate or rating? I'm sure it says somewhere "you can't endorse someone for something you don't have", but where? I don't see it anywhere in 61.195... All thought it does say,
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(b) Aircraft ratings. A flight instructor may not conduct flight training in any aircraft for which the flight instructor does not hold:
(1) A pilot certificate and flight instructor certificate with the applicable category and class rating; and
(2) If appropriate, a type rating.
But I'm 99.9% sure "flight instruction" here means "primary instruction" as in with a never-before-touched-a-seaplane student. But I'm not really sure.
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