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Old September 12th, 2007, 12:58   #21
tgrayson
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Default Re: Cleared into Bravo at 2AM

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Originally Posted by kevmor99 View Post
He said a friend of his was recently busted for entering class B on a heading they assigned him. Seems like they'd rather have you avoid class B even if they direct you towards it (and if you can't clarify), if they don't give you the clearance.
Without documentation, anecdotes aren't reliable guides because critical details are often lost. Seems unlikely to me that a controller would give you a heading and altitude that he intends to take you into Class B and then suddenly change his mind.

You need to have a clearance to enter Class B, but there is no description of the language that constitutes a clearance. For instance, "Taxi to runway 18" is a clearance, even though it doesn't contain the word "cleared." "Please enter the Class B airspace" would likewise be a clearance.

The heading/altitude thing would depend on context and I could envision ambiguous circumstances. The whole issue came up as a defense from a violation, so I don't recommend depending on it as a standard operating procedure. However, the ruling is available to you if there's a dispute.

I do think that hearing "cleared into" is the safest policy, but if the pilot and controller both forget when the intent is obvious (which happens a lot), the odds of repercussions are low.
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