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Originally Posted by tgrayson  As we've discussed before, I doubt ATC has any idea of what "established" means, |
On the other hand, I suspect that ATC has at least a 6th grade English comprehension level.
The ongoing/repeated discussion of whet "established" means is, I think, somewhat ridiculous. The AIM's definition is plain English. Yes, it lacks the precision of, say, the ICOA definition in terms of degrees deflection from centerline, but so what? There are way too many discussions where one side of it seems to have the need for a level of complexity that just isn't there and probably isn't warranted.
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We use it from time to time to mark the time that you are established in holding. We then can actually stop radar separation and go into procedural separation if we need to with other traffic.
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That's from my controller friend.No, he doesn't have the "templates." No, he's never really made a connection to the FAA holding criteria order. That's entirely my supposition, and might be completely off.
But "report established in the hold," whether in the official ATC guides or not, is a phrase that is in fact =used=, and to pretend that it doesn't exist and is not worth understanding seems a bit silly.