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Old November 15th, 2006, 10:41   #5
zmiller4
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Default Re: Expected to fly DP in VMC???

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I was curious if atc still expects you to fly the DP if your ifr clearance states no particular departure procedure.... my question comes from LWS (lewiston, id).
This is a pretty good question, and I know it's gotten a lot of people in trouble. My airline flies quite a bit in places that have ODP's that you won't be specifically cleared for, but we're always expected to fly them (even in VMC) unless we specifically ask for a VFR climb (which we're authorized for). I'm not 100% sure if they expect a part 91 flight to do the same, but I'd absolutely clarify. If you pop up on their radar way ahead of where you're supposed to be, they get pretty pissed.

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I always ask if I can climb on course VMC, but every time I do, they respond like they expected me to anyway.
I'd definately continue to do this. Additionally, I just flew with a captain who had spoken with a SLC center controller who said that if you really want to cover your butt, tell them that you can "maintain terrain clearance during the climb to xxxxx", which supposedly keeps ATC on the hook for traffic avoidance. I don't know if I would do that; I'd probably just keep requesting a VMC clim to point xxx.
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