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Old October 18th, 2006, 18:49   #22
daveatc
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Default Re: Exiting a runway on to the active runway

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Originally Posted by Dazzler View Post
I think it all depends on the airport you're at. I once asked a tower controller at my local airport the same thing, and he said that if they tell a pilot to "turn left when able" then that would include a runway.
No, they are improperly applying the reg. Honestly, if they did that in front of an evaluator, they'd get popped for it. Talk to the FAA evaluators. If they want to make that runway available to you, they have to specify permission to taxi on that runway, not just say 'left turn when able.' Again, you do it at your home airport because lazy controllers say it's okay. You then fly to my airport and do it and I am using that runway and you kill someone. That's what can happen, and that's why the procedure is in place to require a positive control of actually putting that plane on another runway instead of a taxiway. It is flat out wrong and the controller who said that to you is wrong.

"Left turn when able, taxi on RWY18L pilot's discretion." Something that specifically addresses that runway. Look at how runways are handled in the ATC environment. All the hold shorts. All the positive control. All the readbacks. They are in place for a reason. Runway Incursions are a HUGE issue. HUGE training issue. We do tons of training on how to prevent them. If you have such a desire to take that turn onto another RWY, just ask on roll out, "Can I taxi via RWY34?"

And DE727UPS, in regards to the Land and Hold Short (LAHSO) you mentioned, you can't always do that. There are a lot of requirements that have to be met, in terms of airfield markings, training for controllers, LOAs, etc to allow that operation. It doesn't exist by default at airfields. Personally, I'd rather have you roll through it and come out on the other side rather than roll the dice and try to get you to hold short, it's wet, you miss it, etc, etc. There are ways around it, like once you're established on roll out, I can say 'continue taxiing, hold short of runway 18R,' but that is a really fine line there that I'd only use in very rare circumstances, if at all.
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