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DE727UPS · August 20th, 2006, 00:30

"I was under the impression to be cleared for a visual you must have the runway complex or the runway in sight"

That is incorrect. You only need to see the following aircraft and not necessarily the airport.

Visuals can be a can of worms and I won't take one unless I see the traffic, the correct runway, have the warm fuzzies about it, and am familiar with the airport. I've pissed off many an arrival controller cause I just won't play.

I refused to play in DEN not long ago when United was taking them left and right. I'm not that familiar, there were clouds in the area, there were multiple runways going the same direction, and I just wasn't comfortable with it. ATC annoyingly had to give us a box pattern back around for the ILS. Probably cost us 10 minutes and the controller wondering what was my major malfunction.

I have no regrets and would do it again.

August 20th, 2006, 00:30	#4
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,546	Re: Visual Approach Following Traffic "I was under the impression to be cleared for a visual you must have the runway complex or the runway in sight" That is incorrect. You only need to see the following aircraft and not necessarily the airport. Visuals can be a can of worms and I won't take one unless I see the traffic, the correct runway, have the warm fuzzies about it, and am familiar with the airport. I've pissed off many an arrival controller cause I just won't play. I refused to play in DEN not long ago when United was taking them left and right. I'm not that familiar, there were clouds in the area, there were multiple runways going the same direction, and I just wasn't comfortable with it. ATC annoyingly had to give us a box pattern back around for the ILS. Probably cost us 10 minutes and the controller wondering what was my major malfunction. I have no regrets and would do it again.