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Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"A few have gone on with Colgan"

This guy named Heath interviewed there a while back (got hired). He mentioned the guy who interviewed him (last name was Colgan, I believe) told him they like guys from Gulfstream. How do you fight that?

I don't get it... are you saying Colgan Airlines does like to hire guys from Gulfstream?

"Their safety record is exemplary"

PCL 3701.

No. That's really unfair of you. Blame PNCL training for that. Why couldn't they get those engines relit? Core lock? Or, dive speed not fast enough? Needless to say, I'd say there were training defeciencies on PNCL's behalf.

That's like blaming Business Express's training for the AA A300 crash, since the F/O's airline before it was BEX. You need to look at AA training, if anything.

We're talking about Gulfstream by itself here, and their record is perfect.

I don't disagree but it's a sad, sad, thing that people go that route. You could say the same thing about being a scab, don't you think? Gets you ahead of a lot of people on the list. Anything wrong with that?

But they're not scabbing. It's funny how often that word gets thrown out.

Scabbing gets you ahead of people on the list, who are striking for better cause of their own airline. GIA pilots aren't getting 'ahead' of anyone on the list. They still have to interview at any airline they go to, just like any other pilot.

"ignore for a second that the academy "brings down the profession, hurts pilot careers, etc."

Really can't do that. That's the whole point....

"I think you'd have to agree that their training is top notch... the ground school, flight training, and even once you fly the line. This I've gathered from ex-students"

I know two Pinnacle Capts who don't paint such a bright picture. Your results may vary, I guess. Some streamers will be okay. That's not the point. Point is they are paying for a job. That's not, and never will be (I hope) an accepted practice in this biz. You could say Colgan and Pinnacle accept it but line pilots should never cut these guys any slack for what they did.

GIA and their PFT scheme is nothing compared to what ELSE is happening in this aviation industry. Wages are going down the crap hole. An alternate ego airline to avoid scope/contract issues, GoJets has been formed, and yet no one here has fought against it.

A majority of the posts here are anti-PFT, but no one bothers to mention GoJets alter ego. No one bothers to mention how every regional airline is undercutting one another. There are bigger fish to be worried about.

"And, also consider that Gulfstream has always 'hired' their F/Os through the academy. In another words, those right seats were never open to anyone else. A CFI couldn't come into the right seat and fly the Beech 1900 unless he/she went through GIA. So, it's not like students who pay the $30k are "taking" a job from a qualified pilot.... that job was never "open" to anyone BUT the Gulfstream Academy student"

Oh come on. And we were having such a nice, un-FSA forum like, respectable discussion. That's the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard of. Semantics. Gulfstream gets around hiring F/O's by renting out the seat for a period of time. It's sick. You can play around with the wording of it to make it look pretty but it boils down to the same thing. PFJ. Just another nail in the coffin of lowering the bar in this industry.

Well, I was simply pointing out that a part of the defense that anti-PFTs use is that PFT takes away a job from a qualified pilot. I was merely pointing out that it wasn't the case here, for reasons described above in the quoted portion.



"I've checked my past postings regarding Gulfstream, and I see that my posts were extremely negative regarding Gulfstream."

Where the hell have you been? It's not just me saying this stuff. Do a search at APC or flightinfo.

"Ignoring the PFT aspect, Gulfstream would be top notch."

Nobody should ignore PFJ. Ever.....

Well, I guess so. But looking at the aspects of GIA, like their training, from the ex-students I've talked to, they say is excellent.

And another thing, once your 250 hours are up, you're not just "thrown on the street."

You may get a permanent hire offer, but if you don't, they will help you in placing with another regional airline. PNCL being the biggest one. You're not left to rot out and dry. I have yet to speak with an ex-GIA pilot who had no where to go after their 250 hours.