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Originally Posted by seagull 121 is more restrictive than that as VMC is not an allowable alternative.
As for your #3, you can't very well have a vector absent radar, so not sure what you're saying there. |
Woops, I had edited that to try and be more clear, but I missed that part. What I meant to say was:
You would use an ODP unless one of the following exists:
1. You can visually depart from the airport; (if your ops specs allow...)
2. You have received a SID clearance; or
3. You have received radar vectors
As far as part 121 not allowing VMC departures, I'm not sure that it's in part 121 per se (at least I couldn't find it), but rather the Ops Specs of a particular airline which is just as controlling as part 121 yadda yadda yadda, but I think that you already said that...
I had to go look it up in our op specs (American Eagle) and it agrees w/ what you are saying. Of the several requirements that have to be met for a VMC departure, two of them state:
"The flight crew must comply with the Departure Procedures established for a particular airport by the FAA", and;
"At airports where a Departure Procedure has not been established, the airport diagram will be used in order to identify obstacles and obstructions around the airport."