[Philip]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

Here's the answer and if someone thinks I am wrong, please prove it to me...

While there are the 4 forces of flight which act upon an airplane, the thrust is what is needed to propel the aircraft into relative wind. Without relative wind, there is no possibility of the aircraft to stay aloft. An exception to this is an R/C airplane which with a powerful enough engine can remain inverted while hovering for an extended amount of time. Granted, the propellar on a full scale airplane is a small contribution to the relative wind in order to create lift, it's way too small to make enough wind to cover all of the wing's surface area to make Burnoulli's principle start workin'.

The thrust is there but the treadmill prevents the most important force involved: LIFT. Now, if there is a strong enough headwind that is at or above Vs or whatever speed you choose to stay aloft (without stalling the aircraft) then the aircraft will take off. That's the ONLY way it would.

Without relative wind, air will not rush over and under the wing surface area and not generate lift, PERIOD (period-------->.<-------period)

lots of talking, none of it really related to the problem at hand