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Timbuff10 · February 26th, 2003, 02:15

If UA gives up on DEN... which according to the latest news they are considering it. I read they are looking at shrinking ala CO in the early 90s... Anyway, as for DEN i heard from a CO pilot that they have a few plans in place if UA does leave. One of those plans is for CO to come into DEN with 129 flights a day. Sort of move their cleveland hub out here. CO used to own DEN but then pulled out in the early 90s but the place is set up pefectly for them and they still have a HUGE hangar out here. I would bet that NW, DL and AA would also grow some in DEN but AA would probably rather wait it out and try and take over all of ORD so that would make their buildup in DEN look less likely. I have heard people say DL could move their hub in SLC to DEN but I dont see the point in that, SLC and DEN can essentially serve the same purpose.

As for us at Frontier, there is no way we could take over all the routes that UA has. we only have around 40 aircraft (half 319s and half 737) total and from what i hear we are expecting about 6 more 319s in the next two months and then this summer the A318s arrive. We just are not big enough to fill UAs shoes and that is not the type of airline we are. Although within a year I could totally see Frontier taking over all or nearly all of the A concourse.

One major thing i am not sure of is i have heard that CO still owns the leases to all of A concourse. I am wondering if CO would move F9 over to Concourse B and CO takes all of A, or will CO just go straight over to B and leave F9 with all of A? I would bet that CO would just move their ops over to B concourse though as it is about twice the size and would fit a major airline hub.

People in DEN will still need to fly from here to there... the same # of people will be flying if not more when better product is available, its just that a more efficient airline will be operating the routes. DIA will not become a ghosttown, there is no way that happens.

My question is the regionals that serve UA... Just as Doug said, those guys could be out of a job quick (thus us rookie pilots would never get a job) or they could just put a sticker on their tails and fly pretty much the same routes for CO which will need a feeder just as UA did? In this case if all goes well and the economy gets better after the Iraq thing is over, perhaps regionals will be hiring again?

we shall see, Tim

February 26th, 2003, 02:15	#5
Timbuff10 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Coloradan in Orange County, CA Posts: 3,235	Re: If UA goes down? If UA gives up on DEN... which according to the latest news they are considering it. I read they are looking at shrinking ala CO in the early 90s... Anyway, as for DEN i heard from a CO pilot that they have a few plans in place if UA does leave. One of those plans is for CO to come into DEN with 129 flights a day. Sort of move their cleveland hub out here. CO used to own DEN but then pulled out in the early 90s but the place is set up pefectly for them and they still have a HUGE hangar out here. I would bet that NW, DL and AA would also grow some in DEN but AA would probably rather wait it out and try and take over all of ORD so that would make their buildup in DEN look less likely. I have heard people say DL could move their hub in SLC to DEN but I dont see the point in that, SLC and DEN can essentially serve the same purpose. As for us at Frontier, there is no way we could take over all the routes that UA has. we only have around 40 aircraft (half 319s and half 737) total and from what i hear we are expecting about 6 more 319s in the next two months and then this summer the A318s arrive. We just are not big enough to fill UAs shoes and that is not the type of airline we are. Although within a year I could totally see Frontier taking over all or nearly all of the A concourse. One major thing i am not sure of is i have heard that CO still owns the leases to all of A concourse. I am wondering if CO would move F9 over to Concourse B and CO takes all of A, or will CO just go straight over to B and leave F9 with all of A? I would bet that CO would just move their ops over to B concourse though as it is about twice the size and would fit a major airline hub. People in DEN will still need to fly from here to there... the same # of people will be flying if not more when better product is available, its just that a more efficient airline will be operating the routes. DIA will not become a ghosttown, there is no way that happens. My question is the regionals that serve UA... Just as Doug said, those guys could be out of a job quick (thus us rookie pilots would never get a job) or they could just put a sticker on their tails and fly pretty much the same routes for CO which will need a feeder just as UA did? In this case if all goes well and the economy gets better after the Iraq thing is over, perhaps regionals will be hiring again? we shall see, Tim