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pilot602 · February 20th, 2003, 09:51

Dave,

When one pilot is under the hood a second pilot is required:

Per FAR Sec. 91.109, sec. (b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless --

(1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown.

Which means that FAR 61.51, (e) (1) A recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in- command time only for that flight time during which that person --
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated;
(ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or
(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. ...

kicks in because 91.109 requires the safety pilot to be there and if the safety pilot is agreed by both pilots to be the acting PIC he or she can then log that time as PIC. If the safety pilot is indeed the acting PIC he or she becomes completely responsible for any and all infractions, incidents and or acidents that the pilot under the hood may comit. Which is the exact reason this is not "cheating" the system.

The pilot under the hood logs PIC because he or she is "(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated[;]."

If the safety pilot does not want to be the acting PIC, the pilot under the hood then becomes the PIC and the safety pilot - because he or she is required to be there - would then log SIC. The pilot under the hood, the PIC in this scenario, would then be completely responsible for any and all infractions, incidents and or acidents that the he or she may comit.

Hence the ability to log SIC/PIC depends on who the acting PIC is. So, in effect the "loophole" is not out the window - it's re-enforced by this article.

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However, two pilots may not simultaneously log PIC when one pilot is sole manipulator of the controls and the other is acting as pilot-in-command if the regulations governing the flight do not require more than one pilot.

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This applies to two rated, pilots flying in one aircraft neither of which is under the hood. Or, an ATP riding along with a private and trying to log PIC time when he hasn't touched the controls at all during the flight.

February 20th, 2003, 09:51	#16
pilot602 Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: who haa Posts: 3,750	Re: Question about time. Dave, When one pilot is under the hood a second pilot is required: Per FAR Sec. 91.109, sec. (b) No person may operate a civil aircraft in simulated instrument flight unless -- (1) The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown. Which means that FAR 61.51, (e) (1) A recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in- command time only for that flight time during which that person -- (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated; (ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or (iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted. ... kicks in because 91.109 requires the safety pilot to be there and if the safety pilot is agreed by both pilots to be the acting PIC he or she can then log that time as PIC. If the safety pilot is indeed the acting PIC he or she becomes completely responsible for any and all infractions, incidents and or acidents that the pilot under the hood may comit. Which is the exact reason this is not "cheating" the system. The pilot under the hood logs PIC because he or she is "(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated[;]." If the safety pilot does not want to be the acting PIC, the pilot under the hood then becomes the PIC and the safety pilot - because he or she is required to be there - would then log SIC. The pilot under the hood, the PIC in this scenario, would then be completely responsible for any and all infractions, incidents and or acidents that the he or she may comit. Hence the ability to log SIC/PIC depends on who the acting PIC is. So, in effect the "loophole" is not out the window - it's re-enforced by this article. [ QUOTE ] However, two pilots may not simultaneously log PIC when one pilot is sole manipulator of the controls and the other is acting as pilot-in-command if the regulations governing the flight do not require more than one pilot. [/ QUOTE ] This applies to two rated, pilots flying in one aircraft neither of which is under the hood. Or, an ATP riding along with a private and trying to log PIC time when he hasn't touched the controls at all during the flight.