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DE727UPS · February 14th, 2003, 01:44

Seagull---just for reference, most airlines can force you to work overtime if they catch you. They can catch you before your last trip and give you another assignment, not much you can do about that. They can also call you at home but being able to screen your calls is a wonderful thing. If you do answer your phone at home, you can just say you're not available. There have been times when management will harass you about your lack of availability, but in the end, no one has been fired for just saying they are not available. If they catch you fair and square at work for an extra trip, you pretty much gotta do it. I've not heard of anyone walking away from a reschedule saying they are not available....would get you in hot water...it's in the contract. Even things that aren't in the contract you pretty much gotta do. We also work under the "do what we tell you and you can grieve it later" system....

Doug---my favorite management pilot story is a 727 out of DFW to EFD. I'm in the right seat and working the radios on the ground, it's my leg. After we get airborne, the Capt can't seem to talk to ATC. He's talkin' but they aren't hearin'. I can hear him fine and can hear ATC as well. I'm laughing my butt off inside cause I think I know what's wrong but I'm not gonna tell. Out of about 14 thousand the guy figures out his mike selector is still on intercom and we get squared away with ATC. I can't say much since I've done things like that before, too. Also, must say that this particular management guy was/is a really nice guy with a good background at TWA.

Have flown with the ex-RFD-chief pilot, a very good stick. He was a line guy at American before their furlough in the mid-90's and was one of the few that didn't leave UPS and go back after the recall.

For the most part, I've had no problems with managment pilots but have not flown with many. You hear a lot of rumors, though, about their lack of flying skills due to being in the office most of the time.

February 14th, 2003, 01:44	#37
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,514	Re: UPS to lay off 100 pilots Seagull---just for reference, most airlines can force you to work overtime if they catch you. They can catch you before your last trip and give you another assignment, not much you can do about that. They can also call you at home but being able to screen your calls is a wonderful thing. If you do answer your phone at home, you can just say you're not available. There have been times when management will harass you about your lack of availability, but in the end, no one has been fired for just saying they are not available. If they catch you fair and square at work for an extra trip, you pretty much gotta do it. I've not heard of anyone walking away from a reschedule saying they are not available....would get you in hot water...it's in the contract. Even things that aren't in the contract you pretty much gotta do. We also work under the "do what we tell you and you can grieve it later" system.... Doug---my favorite management pilot story is a 727 out of DFW to EFD. I'm in the right seat and working the radios on the ground, it's my leg. After we get airborne, the Capt can't seem to talk to ATC. He's talkin' but they aren't hearin'. I can hear him fine and can hear ATC as well. I'm laughing my butt off inside cause I think I know what's wrong but I'm not gonna tell. Out of about 14 thousand the guy figures out his mike selector is still on intercom and we get squared away with ATC. I can't say much since I've done things like that before, too. Also, must say that this particular management guy was/is a really nice guy with a good background at TWA. Have flown with the ex-RFD-chief pilot, a very good stick. He was a line guy at American before their furlough in the mid-90's and was one of the few that didn't leave UPS and go back after the recall. For the most part, I've had no problems with managment pilots but have not flown with many. You hear a lot of rumors, though, about their lack of flying skills due to being in the office most of the time.