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Old April 15th, 2005, 01:08   #97
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Default Re: Late night flight with a strange request...

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However, it is hard to tell from everything that's going on in right now--just don't see a lot of peace and tolerance.

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That's cause you only look to the Middle East. Apparently, all Christians can't speak properly, listen to country music a lot, drink heavily and are extreme hypocrites. At least, that's the whay I see when I look at the Christians in my area......

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And by the way, McVeigh in Ok City really wasn't an attack against non-Christian-believers, was it? It was an attack against our gov't.

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Ok. That makes it better, then doesn't it.

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And these frequent, DAILY condemnations from Muslim leaders that you talk about--where are they?

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Fair enough. Here ya go:

http://e115.blogspot.com/2004/09/mus...n-killers.html
http://www.islamfortoday.com/america05.htm
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
http://www.namibian.com.na/2004/augu...4597CF54B.html
http://tokyo.usembassy.gov/e/p/tp-20040625-18.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,2763,1297681,00.html
http://www.pluralism.org/news/index....m#headline2042
http://www.pluralism.org/news/index....m#headline2042

I stopped after a while. Most of those deal with Nick Berg's beheading, Bin Laden's call for a jihad on the West, the 9/11 attacks and the Russian schoolhouse fiasco. Trust me, the news isn't going to run a talking head of a Muslim leader condemning anything, the best you'll get is CNN/MSNBC saying "Muslim leaders comdemned the act. And now sports!" Fox might say something like "And now sports!" Anything that would make the Muslims in general appear as non-terrorists would show doubt on the US's cause. Why wouldn't CNN and MSNBC be all over that, then? Peaceful Muslims don't get ratings like ones firing guns in the air in celebration for blowing up an American tank. So, since that gets ratings, that's what you see. Local newspapers tend to follow whatever feelings the editor has. In this area, Terry Schiavo was being allowed to die and it was wrong. Anyone that said otherwise didn't get an article (or even a letter to the editor) published. So, if you live in a red state (and a lot of blue states), you probably won't read that. Now, when you say "scan the internet," which sites are you looking at? I can almost guarantee the headline "Muslim leaders codemn school bombing" won't be at the top of Google's news links.

As for your "link...."

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Sounds like god isn't too high on "unbelievers" either.

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

So, this is like if you don't accept Jesus as your savior and follow god, you'll burn in hell for eternity? I'll take the "curse," if you believer in curses.

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.

Remember what I said about no religion really being original. Here's a case where Islam took some of the ten commandments and made them their own. Remember Moses' tirade after they built the golden calf. I'd say he let those people have it until his "religion reign(ed) supreme."

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it.

Kinda like god telling Christians they are doomed to be persecuted but will be rewarded in the end, huh? Define "fighting." I fight with my wife, but that doesn't mean I behead her. Fighting can range from a disagreement (like what we've got hear) to dropping a smart bomb on someone's porch.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven

This is my fav on the site. It's obvious he's taken words out (at least he shows it). According to the Catholics, you get to heaven by good works. According to the Jehovah's Witnesses, you get to heaven by saving people. According to non-Catholic Christians, you get to heaven through faith and repentence. There's more than one way to get to heaven, even in the Islamic religion. It doesn't say that you have to be killed in the glory of battle for Allah to get into heaven. This guy wants you to believe that.

I'll stop there. Obviously this guy has done the same think terrorists groups have, cherry picked verses to prove a point. His point is Muslims are evil and all out to get us, after all it says so in the Koran, right? The terrorists point is that Allah wants all Muslims to slay unbelievers to secure their right to heaven, after all it says so in the Koran, right?

BTW, you should check out the rest of that guy's site. There's some pretty good stuff against Christians, too. He's a former newspaper editor that is on some kind of crusade to prove people pray to "invisible dieties." You sure can pick 'em to prove your point.

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I'm assuming you're talking about Muslim deaths at our hands since Israel's inception in the late 1940's, since that's what you make it sound like.

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'Cause it's okay for Jews to kill Muslims in the name of religion, but it's not cool to go the other way, huh? Or is it whoever has the lowest bodycount is more righteous?

And by defininf "a whole lot" as tens of thousands, are you saying that tens of thousands of Muslims are out there killing? I didn't think we had accurate numbers on the insurgents. Do you work in intelligence? I still didn't see the credentials of who translated that site, either. I looked. Basically, I saw a lot of quotes taken out of context and listed to inflame the uneducated. Try this one:

http://www.infidels.org/desk.shtml#islam
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