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kellwolf · April 14th, 2005, 01:31

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I am relatively open-minded about Islam (although admittedly less so since 9/11).

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Not by your statements. It appears that you get your information from slanted sources. Like I said earlier, Islam is at its heart a peaceful, tolerant religion. There are those few that use it in the name of their cause that twist the words in the Koran to whip people into a fighting frenzy. Once again, If 9/11 changed your opinion on Islam, you really need to do more research into the religion. Al Queda is one of the best at taking pieces of the Koran and twisting it to support their political cause. If the attacks of 9/11 reduced your open-mindedness about Islam, then you are lumping ALL Muslims into Al Queda's radical camp. Sorry, dude. Not true. Like I said earlier, might as well say all Christians are hate mongering monsters because they bomb abortion clinics and blow up government buildings in Oklahoma. Only a small percentage of Christians are that radical, and it's the same with Islam.

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You don't see Jesus doing any of that in the New Testament.

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True, which is why I mentioned the Old Testament. It's still part of the Bible and often quoted by Christians, therefore fair game.

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But overall, we're talking about a few bad apples, not a large part of the religion (Respectfully--and I've read a bunch of your posts, and DO respect your opinion--you're in denial if you think they're teaching tolerance and peace with the West in some mosque in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Indonesia). This is a way of life for a LOT of them.

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What about Muslims in other parts of Africa, Asia, Europe, and even right here in the US? You're "regionalizing." Guess what religion a lot of those Iraqis that just got elected are? Muslim. They more or less owe their lives to the West. You think their preaching tolerance for Islam in Jerusalem right now, too? Doubt it. One thing about religions is that they tend to not like it when someone else presents a viable opinion other than their own. Radical Islam is a small, yet VERY vocal, part of the largest religion in the world. I wish other Muslims would speak out against them, but they can't since they would probably wake up with their families murdered around them if they lived in the Middle East. Muslims living outside the region condemn radicals actions DAILY. Look outside the Middle East more often, and don't focus on one region's religion. It's like pointing to Utah and saying all followers of God are like Mormons.

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Disagree, again respectfully. It is in the Koran for them to kill infidels, and I've seen plenty of evidence to back up the fact that a whole lot of them take that literally.

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Show me the quote and tell me who translated it. Define a "whole lot." Are we still a talking the radical minority?

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The 'infidels' were invaded and slaughtered by Muslims, and the Crusades were the Christians taking their land back (and probably doing some slaughtering in return).

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Yeah, cause the Christians had land rights in the Middle East and the Ottoman Empire, right? The Catholic church wanted money, power and spoils of war, so they sent in the "blessed armies" to "do God's work." The Crusades were some of the bloodiest wars in history.

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kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Late night flight with a strange request... [ QUOTE ] I am relatively open-minded about Islam (although admittedly less so since 9/11). [/ QUOTE ] Not by your statements. It appears that you get your information from slanted sources. Like I said earlier, Islam is at its heart a peaceful, tolerant religion. There are those few that use it in the name of their cause that twist the words in the Koran to whip people into a fighting frenzy. Once again, If 9/11 changed your opinion on Islam, you really need to do more research into the religion. Al Queda is one of the best at taking pieces of the Koran and twisting it to support their political cause. If the attacks of 9/11 reduced your open-mindedness about Islam, then you are lumping ALL Muslims into Al Queda's radical camp. Sorry, dude. Not true. Like I said earlier, might as well say all Christians are hate mongering monsters because they bomb abortion clinics and blow up government buildings in Oklahoma. Only a small percentage of Christians are that radical, and it's the same with Islam. [ QUOTE ] You don't see Jesus doing any of that in the New Testament. [/ QUOTE ] True, which is why I mentioned the Old Testament. It's still part of the Bible and often quoted by Christians, therefore fair game. [ QUOTE ] But overall, we're talking about a few bad apples, not a large part of the religion (Respectfully--and I've read a bunch of your posts, and DO respect your opinion--you're in denial if you think they're teaching tolerance and peace with the West in some mosque in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia or Indonesia). This is a way of life for a LOT of them. [/ QUOTE ] What about Muslims in other parts of Africa, Asia, Europe, and even right here in the US? You're "regionalizing." Guess what religion a lot of those Iraqis that just got elected are? Muslim. They more or less owe their lives to the West. You think their preaching tolerance for Islam in Jerusalem right now, too? Doubt it. One thing about religions is that they tend to not like it when someone else presents a viable opinion other than their own. Radical Islam is a small, yet VERY vocal, part of the largest religion in the world. I wish other Muslims would speak out against them, but they can't since they would probably wake up with their families murdered around them if they lived in the Middle East. Muslims living outside the region condemn radicals actions DAILY. Look outside the Middle East more often, and don't focus on one region's religion. It's like pointing to Utah and saying all followers of God are like Mormons. [ QUOTE ] Disagree, again respectfully. It is in the Koran for them to kill infidels, and I've seen plenty of evidence to back up the fact that a whole lot of them take that literally. [/ QUOTE ] Show me the quote and tell me who translated it. Define a "whole lot." Are we still a talking the radical minority? [ QUOTE ] The 'infidels' were invaded and slaughtered by Muslims, and the Crusades were the Christians taking their land back (and probably doing some slaughtering in return). [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, cause the Christians had land rights in the Middle East and the Ottoman Empire, right? The Catholic church wanted money, power and spoils of war, so they sent in the "blessed armies" to "do God's work." The Crusades were some of the bloodiest wars in history.