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kellwolf · April 13th, 2005, 00:29

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I just read a synopsis of 'Gilgamesh' and aside from a story about a flood, I don't see any major similarities to any big religions, Christianity included (that was your implication, right?) Maybe you can enlighten us non-epic reading folks (no sarcasm meant; I really am interested).

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The flood was in fact my main point. Gilgamesh himself has a lot of Christ-like qualities. Then again there are multiple examples of flood stories (or generally wipe the slate clean stories) in religions pre-dating Christianity. The resurrection is a straight copy of Wiccan beliefs that the goddess dies every winter to rise again in the spring. Timing of Easter isn't an accident either. It's about the same time as the summer solstice, the time the goddess is believed to be re-born. Even the virgin birth is taken from older religions. When you get right down to it, none of the religions are really original.

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I have no problem with people choosing to worship anyone...whether it's a wife-beating, 'infidel'-killing pedophile (it's all in the Koran folks!)

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Like it or not, it's all in the Bible, too. Read the Old Testament and you'll see a lot of that stuff.

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As I recall, though, he couldn't convert Christians and Jews (most, anyway), resulting in his writing in the Koran that the 'infidels' should be killed.

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Sure, if you just focus on radical Islam. That's like calling are Christians butchers because they bomb abortion clinics. Islam is the most peaceful religion, while at the same time it is the most violent. It depends on the specific person's interpretation of the Koran, much like it depends on the person's interpretation of the Bible.

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He did get the idea for praying towards Mecca from Jews praying towards Jerusalem, but not because of laziness after their conversion. He chatted it up a lot with the local infidels before trying to convert them (and eventually butcher them) and that's where he got his idea from.

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Don't really reacall Muhammed "butchering" Jews or Christians. Drug into war with them, maybe. But not "butchering." In fact, if you look back through history, Muslims have generally been very tolerant of Christians and Jews. When the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, they agreed to let the Christians and Jews continue to practice their religions openly. In fact, some of the Muslim shrines in Jerusalem are actually to Moses and Abraham. Now, if you wanna talk the Crusades, then we can go Christians and Muslims butchering each other in an all out holy war, and we can also go into who started it. After that, we can talk about the Inquisition. I never said that praying towards Mecca instead of Jerusalem was due to "laziness after their conversion." I said he did that to try to ease converting them. Mecca happened to be the number one holy city in the Muslim faith. Jerusalem is number three.

April 13th, 2005, 00:29	#78
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,687	Re: Late night flight with a strange request... [ QUOTE ] I just read a synopsis of 'Gilgamesh' and aside from a story about a flood, I don't see any major similarities to any big religions, Christianity included (that was your implication, right?) Maybe you can enlighten us non-epic reading folks (no sarcasm meant; I really am interested). [/ QUOTE ] The flood was in fact my main point. Gilgamesh himself has a lot of Christ-like qualities. Then again there are multiple examples of flood stories (or generally wipe the slate clean stories) in religions pre-dating Christianity. The resurrection is a straight copy of Wiccan beliefs that the goddess dies every winter to rise again in the spring. Timing of Easter isn't an accident either. It's about the same time as the summer solstice, the time the goddess is believed to be re-born. Even the virgin birth is taken from older religions. When you get right down to it, none of the religions are really original. [ QUOTE ] I have no problem with people choosing to worship anyone...whether it's a wife-beating, 'infidel'-killing pedophile (it's all in the Koran folks!) [/ QUOTE ] Like it or not, it's all in the Bible, too. Read the Old Testament and you'll see a lot of that stuff. [ QUOTE ] As I recall, though, he couldn't convert Christians and Jews (most, anyway), resulting in his writing in the Koran that the 'infidels' should be killed. [/ QUOTE ] Sure, if you just focus on radical Islam. That's like calling are Christians butchers because they bomb abortion clinics. Islam is the most peaceful religion, while at the same time it is the most violent. It depends on the specific person's interpretation of the Koran, much like it depends on the person's interpretation of the Bible. [ QUOTE ] He did get the idea for praying towards Mecca from Jews praying towards Jerusalem, but not because of laziness after their conversion. He chatted it up a lot with the local infidels before trying to convert them (and eventually butcher them) and that's where he got his idea from. [/ QUOTE ] Don't really reacall Muhammed "butchering" Jews or Christians. Drug into war with them, maybe. But not "butchering." In fact, if you look back through history, Muslims have generally been very tolerant of Christians and Jews. When the Muslims took control of Jerusalem, they agreed to let the Christians and Jews continue to practice their religions openly. In fact, some of the Muslim shrines in Jerusalem are actually to Moses and Abraham. Now, if you wanna talk the Crusades, then we can go Christians and Muslims butchering each other in an all out holy war, and we can also go into who started it. After that, we can talk about the Inquisition. I never said that praying towards Mecca instead of Jerusalem was due to "laziness after their conversion." I said he did that to try to ease converting them. Mecca happened to be the number one holy city in the Muslim faith. Jerusalem is number three.