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Pirep · April 12th, 2005, 13:29

Wow, this thread got ugly. Just goes to show how much frustration is out there with the airline situation, and that's exactly the card management wanted dealt as long as I can remember (Dad used to [censored] about this back in the ('70s, '80's, and '90's at United). They've been trying to break the hold pilots have had for decades, now they've done it. And now it's time to rebuild how they want to dictate. Tearing it down, then building it back up (while trying to stay alive at the same time). Scopes have left the building... And the way pilots think, were trying to make sense out of chaos. Good luck.

To hit on a few points mentioned-
MikeD-that long on an ejection seat? I can't relate, but it sounds painful. The only difference in the point I was trying to make is that you are getting paid to sit in that seat, pax are paying to sit there.

-The all leather seats in the ERJ are just that...all leather and no padding. Plus, I don't know what they used as a seat model, but it wasn't human. Absolutely no lower back support. If they had a better design, they'd be more tolerable.

--I believe CHQ got the base in MCO because Comair was closing it as a EMB-120 base. Also the CRJ-200 can't get in and out of KEYW, although the -700 can.

-Also, I was told one of the main reasons CHQ got the 170's for Delta is because they financed the planes themselves. Comair/ASA couldn't get the financing at the time.

-and for the people that think an RJ was built for 3+ hours of flight carrying 50 people? You're whacked. Can it do it? Of course. How much does the lav hold? Not 3+hours worth of #1 and #2. Love that sloshing blue juice (and friends). Servicing flights direct to smaller markets is great, but at what cost? I guess we haven't seen the line yet, but I think it's coming into view very quickly.

-Chicaga- the 50 seat market is not over, it never will be. There will always be a market for direct flights to smaller markets and numerous choice of flights and times to busier markets(if ATC can handle it). Don't buy into the hype. Is it saturated? yes. Is it cost effective how they are being used now? No. Especially now that loads are back up to where they can put bigger planes on the same routes and fill them.But now that scope clauses are going away, they can put us dumb schmucks in bigger planes for cheaper pay, just like management has wanted to do for a long time. B(or C)-scale without the name. Or just go and work at B6. They already have a built in B-scale.And life goes on.

April 12th, 2005, 13:29	#105
Pirep Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 72	Re: B6 EMB190? Wow, this thread got ugly. Just goes to show how much frustration is out there with the airline situation, and that's exactly the card management wanted dealt as long as I can remember (Dad used to [censored] about this back in the ('70s, '80's, and '90's at United). They've been trying to break the hold pilots have had for decades, now they've done it. And now it's time to rebuild how they want to dictate. Tearing it down, then building it back up (while trying to stay alive at the same time). Scopes have left the building... And the way pilots think, were trying to make sense out of chaos. Good luck. To hit on a few points mentioned- MikeD-that long on an ejection seat? I can't relate, but it sounds painful. The only difference in the point I was trying to make is that you are getting paid to sit in that seat, pax are paying to sit there. -The all leather seats in the ERJ are just that...all leather and no padding. Plus, I don't know what they used as a seat model, but it wasn't human. Absolutely no lower back support. If they had a better design, they'd be more tolerable. --I believe CHQ got the base in MCO because Comair was closing it as a EMB-120 base. Also the CRJ-200 can't get in and out of KEYW, although the -700 can. -Also, I was told one of the main reasons CHQ got the 170's for Delta is because they financed the planes themselves. Comair/ASA couldn't get the financing at the time. -and for the people that think an RJ was built for 3+ hours of flight carrying 50 people? You're whacked. Can it do it? Of course. How much does the lav hold? Not 3+hours worth of #1 and #2. Love that sloshing blue juice (and friends). Servicing flights direct to smaller markets is great, but at what cost? I guess we haven't seen the line yet, but I think it's coming into view very quickly. -Chicaga- the 50 seat market is not over, it never will be. There will always be a market for direct flights to smaller markets and numerous choice of flights and times to busier markets(if ATC can handle it). Don't buy into the hype. Is it saturated? yes. Is it cost effective how they are being used now? No. Especially now that loads are back up to where they can put bigger planes on the same routes and fill them.But now that scope clauses are going away, they can put us dumb schmucks in bigger planes for cheaper pay, just like management has wanted to do for a long time. B(or C)-scale without the name. Or just go and work at B6. They already have a built in B-scale.And life goes on.