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MikeD · March 24th, 2005, 16:18

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Mike D,
I understand your "racetrack" maneuver, but keep in mind that it is generally a military pattern which involves extreme bank angles (compared to GA a/c) and 3+ Gs. Something that is not normal for general aviation traffic.

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That's correct, and the bank/Gs vary depending on the speed you enter initial at (would be lower for a GA aircraft), but the only point I was making with it, is like the 45 entry, it too is discussed in the AIM and hence, a recommended pattern entry; unlike some of the weird methods I'm reading here.

What we should be discussing is whether the overhead pitchout should be accomplished with the USAF standard break, or the Navy fan break (which is where the extreme Gs come in!).

Way back in my PPL days, I too was taught the midfield overfly to the downwind entry, and was advised of what "coffin corners" to look out for in the pattern, so that's another reasonable pattern entry. But this stuff of crossing midfield at TPA and extending to re-enter on a 45 that some have advocated, along with other weird methods, is beyond reasonable or recommended. Especially the title of this thread!

March 24th, 2005, 16:18	#58
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Entry on the 45 busts FARs? [ QUOTE ] Mike D, I understand your "racetrack" maneuver, but keep in mind that it is generally a military pattern which involves extreme bank angles (compared to GA a/c) and 3+ Gs. Something that is not normal for general aviation traffic. [/ QUOTE ] That's correct, and the bank/Gs vary depending on the speed you enter initial at (would be lower for a GA aircraft), but the only point I was making with it, is like the 45 entry, it too is discussed in the AIM and hence, a recommended pattern entry; unlike some of the weird methods I'm reading here. What we should be discussing is whether the overhead pitchout should be accomplished with the USAF standard break, or the Navy fan break (which is where the extreme Gs come in!). Way back in my PPL days, I too was taught the midfield overfly to the downwind entry, and was advised of what "coffin corners" to look out for in the pattern, so that's another reasonable pattern entry. But this stuff of crossing midfield at TPA and extending to re-enter on a 45 that some have advocated, along with other weird methods, is beyond reasonable or recommended. Especially the title of this thread!