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Dazzler · March 24th, 2005, 00:14

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...left on crosswind over the end of the runway, left on to downwind, and continue. No over-the-field flying involved.

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VERY dangerous place to cross over a runway!!!! NEVER over fly the departure end of a runway. That is were the departing planes are aimed. The reason people cross over mid-field is it is the SAFEST place to cross to the other side (unless a fighter is taking off).

While crossing the departure end of the runway and looking "down" for departing traffic, you are presented with the smallest possible profile (he is nose high and you are looking down) against ground clutter. Something heading straight at you makes it hard to judge his closure rate also.

Looking down from a "mid-field," you are not in danger of the traffic "climbing" into you, and you are provided the LARGEST target to identify, and closure rate is a non-issue.

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Agree. Flying a crosswind-like portion of the pattern where you cross the extended centerline of the departure end of the runway is a good "coffin corner", if you will, as NJA describes.

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Well I've had two instructors tell me this was OK. Of course you have to "clear" the departure runway during the Upwind leg first before turning crosswind.

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Dazzler Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,039	Re: Entry on the 45 busts FARs? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ...left on crosswind over the end of the runway, left on to downwind, and continue. No over-the-field flying involved. [/ QUOTE ] VERY dangerous place to cross over a runway!!!! NEVER over fly the departure end of a runway. That is were the departing planes are aimed. The reason people cross over mid-field is it is the SAFEST place to cross to the other side (unless a fighter is taking off). While crossing the departure end of the runway and looking "down" for departing traffic, you are presented with the smallest possible profile (he is nose high and you are looking down) against ground clutter. Something heading straight at you makes it hard to judge his closure rate also. Looking down from a "mid-field," you are not in danger of the traffic "climbing" into you, and you are provided the LARGEST target to identify, and closure rate is a non-issue. [/ QUOTE ] Agree. Flying a crosswind-like portion of the pattern where you cross the extended centerline of the departure end of the runway is a good "coffin corner", if you will, as NJA describes. [/ QUOTE ] Well I've had two instructors tell me this was OK. Of course you have to "clear" the departure runway during the Upwind leg first before turning crosswind.