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aloft · August 28th, 2004, 15:28

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so, let me get this straight... a student pilot, learning to fly, can take the girlfriend up.... but a guy who calls and offers to take a lesson but also wants to take the girlfriend is considered illegal right?

where's the line between it being legal vs illegal?

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I'm thinking the landing at another airport is the distinction. Local sightseeing flights aren't quite so heavily regulated so if the dude just wanted Lloyd to teach him turns around a point over her house, that'd have been cool. But when the flight involves traveling to another destination, it gets awfully close to "common carriage" which would require a 135 or 121 certificate along with a handful of pilot requirements that Lloyd probably doesn't meet (135 IFR PIC reqs come to mind...unless Lloyd's got the 1500+ hrs and is keeping it a secret).

Without evidence to substantiate the claim that the "student pilot" was indeed a Student Pilot, the burden of proof that the flight was NOT an illegal Part 135 operation would be on Lloyd. Not a good place to be in, I think Lloyd made the right call.

August 28th, 2004, 15:28	#40
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,649	Re: Crooked Charter Request [ QUOTE ] so, let me get this straight... a student pilot, learning to fly, can take the girlfriend up.... but a guy who calls and offers to take a lesson but also wants to take the girlfriend is considered illegal right? where's the line between it being legal vs illegal? [/ QUOTE ] I'm thinking the landing at another airport is the distinction. Local sightseeing flights aren't quite so heavily regulated so if the dude just wanted Lloyd to teach him turns around a point over her house, that'd have been cool. But when the flight involves traveling to another destination, it gets awfully close to "common carriage" which would require a 135 or 121 certificate along with a handful of pilot requirements that Lloyd probably doesn't meet (135 IFR PIC reqs come to mind...unless Lloyd's got the 1500+ hrs and is keeping it a secret). Without evidence to substantiate the claim that the "student pilot" was indeed a Student Pilot, the burden of proof that the flight was NOT an illegal Part 135 operation would be on Lloyd. Not a good place to be in, I think Lloyd made the right call.