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flyover · August 19th, 2004, 13:38

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The reason that people come down on Jacobsen is because she continues to insist, despite the fact that every single law enforcement agency involved says she's wrong, that she saw a bunch of terrorists planning to hijack a plane.

Add to that her spreading her fear mongering across the web, thus scaring passengers the industry needs off planes, and you've got another reason to pound her.

What do you want, Dave? You cannot prove a negative. How are those people supposed to prove that they are not terrorists? Seriously.

Besides, in the America I want to live in, we presume that people are innocent unless we have evidence otherwise. I guess not in Jacobsen's America, with her concluding that we can't give people their civil liberties.

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I think this is a story about the behavior of this group. Behaviour that the FAM admitted was unusual, that some passengers found frightening, and others found strange. The reason that this got to be such a big deal is that Jacobsen had the temerity to write about her observations and suspicions.

Now we're in a classic deal where the poor Syrians who couldn't stay in their seats and spent the flight running around the cabin, are victims. The passengers that saw suspicious activity and either were frightened or in one case, positioned himself to defend the cockpit, are evil bad guys or "bimbos". The Syrians are victims because, in addition to being a dusruptive and non-compliant group, they were arabs. I think these guys knew they were causing concern and I think they asked for the scrutiny they got and I think they got off easy. And I also think the fact that they are musicians doesn't remove them from further suspicion. But that's just me.

>>I guess not in Jacobsen's America, with her concluding that we can't give people their civil liberties<< Please Tony. These guys weren't arrested. They were sent on their way. This is not even vaugely a civil liberties issue. If your contention is that being vigilant in order to protect yourself is a violation of civil liberties, then man you've got the best case to get rid of the TSA I've heard of . Go for it. I'm on your side there. Just wait until they are coming through the cockpit door then lay a few civil liberties on them with a pistol.

August 19th, 2004, 13:38	#44
flyover Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 3,389	Re: NWA 327: Dry run for terrorists or misundersta [ QUOTE ] The reason that people come down on Jacobsen is because she continues to insist, despite the fact that every single law enforcement agency involved says she's wrong, that she saw a bunch of terrorists planning to hijack a plane. Add to that her spreading her fear mongering across the web, thus scaring passengers the industry needs off planes, and you've got another reason to pound her. What do you want, Dave? You cannot prove a negative. How are those people supposed to prove that they are not terrorists? Seriously. Besides, in the America I want to live in, we presume that people are innocent unless we have evidence otherwise. I guess not in Jacobsen's America, with her concluding that we can't give people their civil liberties. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is a story about the behavior of this group. Behaviour that the FAM admitted was unusual, that some passengers found frightening, and others found strange. The reason that this got to be such a big deal is that Jacobsen had the temerity to write about her observations and suspicions. Now we're in a classic deal where the poor Syrians who couldn't stay in their seats and spent the flight running around the cabin, are victims. The passengers that saw suspicious activity and either were frightened or in one case, positioned himself to defend the cockpit, are evil bad guys or "bimbos". The Syrians are victims because, in addition to being a dusruptive and non-compliant group, they were arabs. I think these guys knew they were causing concern and I think they asked for the scrutiny they got and I think they got off easy. And I also think the fact that they are musicians doesn't remove them from further suspicion. But that's just me. >>I guess not in Jacobsen's America, with her concluding that we can't give people their civil liberties<< Please Tony. These guys weren't arrested. They were sent on their way. This is not even vaugely a civil liberties issue. If your contention is that being vigilant in order to protect yourself is a violation of civil liberties, then man you've got the best case to get rid of the TSA I've heard of . Go for it. I'm on your side there. Just wait until they are coming through the cockpit door then lay a few civil liberties on them with a pistol.