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mtsu_av8er · August 18th, 2004, 23:00

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I think it is up to the examiner to use any reasonable distraction and simulated failure to test how deeply an individual knows the material and can handle curve balls.

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No, (s)he can't. The practical test standards are just that - standards. There's nothing anywhere that says that a pilot ever has to touch a manual E6B. So, you're saying that a DE has the right and flexibility to test the students on his/her own terms? Where do we stop it?

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Failing an electronic flight computer is no different that failing any aircraft system in my opinion.

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Actually, the difference is that the student isn't required to ever know the manual E6B. Nothing says that (s)he ever has to use it. Did you know that you're allowed to solve the problems with long math if you like? Of course, it'll take you 12 hours, but you don't have to use an E6B.

The PTS requires you to bring a computer and a plotter - it doesn't specify what kind of computer.

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Just teach students to be ready for the possibility and it is a non-issue. If a failed electronic E6B flusters an individual then they probably are not ready to pass the test.

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Why? Where is the logic in that? What if they've never seen a manual E6B? it's quite legal and acceptable to learn from the beginning with an electronic one. What says they're not ready? Because they can't use a manual E6B that they don't have to use?

So, if you can't use a slide rule, are you truly ready for college? Even though the world is using TI-83's?

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Also I would imagine that an examiners goal in failing an electronic flight computer is not just to make sure they are proficient with the whiz wheel, but rather to see how they deal with the sudden change from routine . . .

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If an examiner did that with me, my sudden change would be to cursing him out, and ending the checkride. (S)he'd then find that I'd file a formal complaint, and spread the word to everyone in the area that (s)he's unfair, and makes his/her own rules. I'd do everything in my power to keep business from going in that direction.

Screw bridges, the DE is not the FAA.

August 18th, 2004, 23:00	#12
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,564	Re: Private Checkride question [ QUOTE ] I think it is up to the examiner to use any reasonable distraction and simulated failure to test how deeply an individual knows the material and can handle curve balls. [/ QUOTE ] No, (s)he can't. The practical test standards are just that - standards. There's nothing anywhere that says that a pilot ever has to touch a manual E6B. So, you're saying that a DE has the right and flexibility to test the students on his/her own terms? Where do we stop it? [ QUOTE ] Failing an electronic flight computer is no different that failing any aircraft system in my opinion. [/ QUOTE ] Actually, the difference is that the student isn't required to ever know the manual E6B. Nothing says that (s)he ever has to use it. Did you know that you're allowed to solve the problems with long math if you like? Of course, it'll take you 12 hours, but you don't have to use an E6B. The PTS requires you to bring a computer and a plotter - it doesn't specify what kind of computer. [ QUOTE ] Just teach students to be ready for the possibility and it is a non-issue. If a failed electronic E6B flusters an individual then they probably are not ready to pass the test. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Where is the logic in that? What if they've never seen a manual E6B? it's quite legal and acceptable to learn from the beginning with an electronic one. What says they're not ready? Because they can't use a manual E6B that they don't have to use? So, if you can't use a slide rule, are you truly ready for college? Even though the world is using TI-83's? [ QUOTE ] Also I would imagine that an examiners goal in failing an electronic flight computer is not just to make sure they are proficient with the whiz wheel, but rather to see how they deal with the sudden change from routine . . . [/ QUOTE ] If an examiner did that with me, my sudden change would be to cursing him out, and ending the checkride. (S)he'd then find that I'd file a formal complaint, and spread the word to everyone in the area that (s)he's unfair, and makes his/her own rules. I'd do everything in my power to keep business from going in that direction. Screw bridges, the DE is not the FAA.