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Stone Cold · July 19th, 2004, 19:06

Newbie,

If your intentions are to purely research your options and learn as much as you can, then I apologize. However, from what I have seen, as you can tell from my post earlier, it seems you went to every rotory wing site and said we were picking on helo pilots, trying to get them to come over here and argue with us. Look at what you posted and tell me differently. Tell me how the helo industry is...please inform us. I'm waiting.

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Txpilot, instead of throwing a tantrum, maybe you could contribute something productive to our collective understanding of the helicopter industry. Or if Doug prefers (which I would understand), maybe you should contribute to the discussion of the program at a helicopter industry-specific site (verticalreference.com).

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This statement here is where I say the "spiral" started. if I took it wrong, I apologize. However, when you have numerous people saying the same thing and then you say
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Edwin,

For helicopters, check out BOATPIX as a time-building option. They threw rocks at it here (because it "quacked" like PFT in their opinion), but those with better knowledge of the helo industry felt differently on threads at justhelicopters.com and verticalreference.com (2 threads there...one under general topics, one under flight training). Call Tom at boatpix if you want. He can refer you to plenty of people who are doing just fine with boatpix time.

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Of course Tom is going to show you a couple of people that are doing good under his program. Ask him how many have left aviation altogether because they became so disenchanted with the reality of no job, and no hopes of a job because they sent out resumes and nobody wrote them back. I wonder why. I have showed you people on your own web sites that you referred us to that said the opposite.

Is this not what we've been saying?
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Uhhh... what would an airline pilot know about the helicopter industry? NOTHING! The usual path to success is PPL < CPL < CFI < CFII < instructor for 1000 hours or more < ATPL (maybe) < fly for Temsco or other operator < pick your discipline that you want to fly in after that. Your first step is to teach (usually). I haven't heard of any schools turning away pilots that have built time with BoatPix.

Now, under their OLD program - I don't think it was very good (you'd fly with a CPL), and I did NOT fly with Boatpix then. However, they've merged Boatpix with Helicopter Academy flight schools and every Boatpix opportunity is with a CFI / CFII. The flying is fun, challenging, and a definate learning experience. I wouldn't build ALL my time with Boatpix, but it is a great and inexpensive way to add hours when you need to.

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Get out and earn your hours. There are no shortcuts. I certainly hope you are learning from PM's because you're just arguing with everybody here, and those helo pilots are telling you the same thing. Good luck in this industry.

July 19th, 2004, 19:06	#39
Stone Cold Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SE US & Kiev Posts: 3,084	Re: Advice Newbie, If your intentions are to purely research your options and learn as much as you can, then I apologize. However, from what I have seen, as you can tell from my post earlier, it seems you went to every rotory wing site and said we were picking on helo pilots, trying to get them to come over here and argue with us. Look at what you posted and tell me differently. Tell me how the helo industry is...please inform us. I'm waiting. [ QUOTE ] Txpilot, instead of throwing a tantrum, maybe you could contribute something productive to our collective understanding of the helicopter industry. Or if Doug prefers (which I would understand), maybe you should contribute to the discussion of the program at a helicopter industry-specific site (verticalreference.com). [/ QUOTE ] This statement here is where I say the "spiral" started. if I took it wrong, I apologize. However, when you have numerous people saying the same thing and then you say [ QUOTE ] Edwin, For helicopters, check out BOATPIX as a time-building option. They threw rocks at it here (because it "quacked" like PFT in their opinion), but those with better knowledge of the helo industry felt differently on threads at justhelicopters.com and verticalreference.com (2 threads there...one under general topics, one under flight training). Call Tom at boatpix if you want. He can refer you to plenty of people who are doing just fine with boatpix time. [/ QUOTE ] Of course Tom is going to show you a couple of people that are doing good under his program. Ask him how many have left aviation altogether because they became so disenchanted with the reality of no job, and no hopes of a job because they sent out resumes and nobody wrote them back. I wonder why. I have showed you people on your own web sites that you referred us to that said the opposite. Is this not what we've been saying? [ QUOTE ] Uhhh... what would an airline pilot know about the helicopter industry? NOTHING! The usual path to success is PPL < CPL < CFI < CFII < instructor for 1000 hours or more < ATPL (maybe) < fly for Temsco or other operator < pick your discipline that you want to fly in after that. Your first step is to teach (usually). I haven't heard of any schools turning away pilots that have built time with BoatPix. Now, under their OLD program - I don't think it was very good (you'd fly with a CPL), and I did NOT fly with Boatpix then. However, they've merged Boatpix with Helicopter Academy flight schools and every Boatpix opportunity is with a CFI / CFII. The flying is fun, challenging, and a definate learning experience. I wouldn't build ALL my time with Boatpix, but it is a great and inexpensive way to add hours when you need to. [/ QUOTE ] Get out and earn your hours. There are no shortcuts. I certainly hope you are learning from PM's because you're just arguing with everybody here, and those helo pilots are telling you the same thing. Good luck in this industry.