Originally Posted by FlyChicaga  You know, I do agree somewhat with what aloft is saying. I don't necessarily agree with him 100% on the GoJets issue, however. I think the reason he is met with such disdain is because of how he presents the message. Strangely enough, two or three of the largest advocates against GoJets also present themselves as condescending, with terrible attitudes. The problem is that they seem to be on the "right" side of this convoluted argument, therefore for some strange reason get a pass. Frankly aloft, you're an #######. But you aren't the only #######, so I don't understand why you get all the flak.
This thread has throughouly soured me to this entire message forum. I personally know Scott Hall, and some individuals here have made broad accusations about his intentions without any basis in fact. PCL_128 called him out by name, and I doubt he's ever met the man. The fact is I would not have had so much success in my career without the help of Scott. He is the one who hired me as an intern, then hired me as a pilot, then helped me make the decision to leave his company to move on to my current employer. I can't say I've always agreed with everything he has done, or all of his viewpoints, but I do respect the man. I highly doubt he has orchestrated a furlough of 80 pilots at ASA to send them to the "evil GoJets empire" in an attempt to destroy ALPA. That's a lot to accomplish from a position as a System CP at a regional airline.
I am absolutely astounded that some posters here have been allowed to take this great resource (as in JetCareers) for developing well-rounded professional pilots and morphed it into an resource for developing anti-management union pilots. We fight tooth and nail to get respect as professional white-collar workers, yet constantly act like blue-collar trade unionists. You won't see doctors or lawyers fighting others in their field the way we fight each other as pilots. Instead, white-collar workers study, practice, and develop themselves professionally to make themselves stand out above the crowd. Ask yourselves, how much lately have you gotten from this board in terms of developing your techincal knowledge base, or learned flying skills that could help you out on the line someday? How much knowledge about swept-wing flying operations have you obtained from the numerous professionals with thousands of hours of heavy-jet time that we have here?
Velocepiede, I'm going to call you out directly. I cannot recall one time in the many months you have been here on JetCareers that you have helped me learn anything about flying from your broad experience in both military and civilian aviation. I can recall many times you have told me about the ALPA Admin manual, Virgin/JetBlue/Allegiant jumpseat issues, and of course the time you told me I don't know squat about the B737 engine and "rotor burst." But never have you helped me learn anything worthwhile that I can take as a young Captain and use out on the line. Sure, I can take the things you've taught me about jumpseating and use them on the one flight per one hundred flights that I get a non-union jumpseater. But what about the two hundred hours of flying time that I'll be commanding an airplane with 50 or more other people on board in those one hundred flights? What can you pass down to me so I can use then? Maybe I've just missed it... If I have, please point me in the right direction so I can read it.
While I do think it is important we educated young professional pilots on the ails of this career, we need to redirect our focus to what is important: Developing educated professionals prepared for what we face out there in this harsh flying environment. Not trade unionists, but rather true professionals in every sense of the word. As long as this board keeps trodding down the path to become a recourse for teaching pilots it's just fine to treat each other like crap for the "greater good," then I won't participate. If this board wants to head back towards its intended purpose of helping pilots obtain their career goals and develop as professionals, then I'm all for it.
No wonder we can't keep any experienced pilots around this place. Who would want to spend their day reading nine pages of posts about jumpseating in jeans? What a waste of time! |