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minitour · January 15th, 2009, 09:31

Slow up guys.

First:
CJ2 or Citation II? Big difference.

CJ2 - If the PICs CE-525S typed, the pilot may fly single pilot assuming the limitations in the AFM are satisfied. Probably an autopilot with coupler, boom or headset, accessible charts, maybe a yoke clip. Something like that. If the pilot has only the CE-525 type (no S), then he/she needs an SIC. If the PIC is 525S typed, no recurrent training is required by regulations for the PIC (the 61.58 training/checking only applies to a two pilot aircraft).

Citation II - The PIC is CE-500 typed but it can still be operated single pilot. The PIC has to complete single pilot waiver training to do this and if so, the limitations in the AFM have to be followed here as well. Without single pilot waiver training, the pilot needs an SIC. Unless of course, it isn't a II but a 2sp (or whatever they're called...model 501 or 551 of the 500-series). Those are actually part 23 single pilot airplanes. For single pilot waiver training, the PIC has to "renew" it every year. I believe you have to do it the first year in the exact airplane (it's specific to airplane and pilot) but you may do "recurrent" in the sim. Either way, a 61.58 check is required for the 500 series (except the 501 & 551, which are not two pilot airplanes).

There's another curve ball. If the pilot did his or her type IN a 501/551 (or I'd assume a sim representing a 501 or 551 - not sure why one would though), and they used an SIC for the type checkride, they have a limitation on their certificate "SIC REQUIRED" and may not operate even the 501 or 551 as a single pilot. In this case, you are required and if trained under 61.55, you may log SIC time.

In either case, you need a 61.55 checkout at the very least. No, you don't need to be SIC "typed" (which is nothing more than a training endorsement anyway) to fly domestically. If you do this, you can log SIC time for any time you're serving as a required crewmember just like 61.51 says.

This, of course, is all under the assumption that it's strictly Part 91.

-mini

January 15th, 2009, 09:31	#12
minitour Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: . Posts: 4,232	Re: Logging time in a dual pilot aircraft Slow up guys. First: CJ2 or Citation II? Big difference. CJ2 - If the PICs CE-525S typed, the pilot may fly single pilot assuming the limitations in the AFM are satisfied. Probably an autopilot with coupler, boom or headset, accessible charts, maybe a yoke clip. Something like that. If the pilot has only the CE-525 type (no S), then he/she needs an SIC. If the PIC is 525S typed, no recurrent training is required by regulations for the PIC (the 61.58 training/checking only applies to a two pilot aircraft). Citation II - The PIC is CE-500 typed but it can still be operated single pilot. The PIC has to complete single pilot waiver training to do this and if so, the limitations in the AFM have to be followed here as well. Without single pilot waiver training, the pilot needs an SIC. Unless of course, it isn't a II but a 2sp (or whatever they're called...model 501 or 551 of the 500-series). Those are actually part 23 single pilot airplanes. For single pilot waiver training, the PIC has to "renew" it every year. I believe you have to do it the first year in the exact airplane (it's specific to airplane and pilot) but you may do "recurrent" in the sim. Either way, a 61.58 check is required for the 500 series (except the 501 & 551, which are not two pilot airplanes). There's another curve ball. If the pilot did his or her type IN a 501/551 (or I'd assume a sim representing a 501 or 551 - not sure why one would though), and they used an SIC for the type checkride, they have a limitation on their certificate "SIC REQUIRED" and may not operate even the 501 or 551 as a single pilot. In this case, you are required and if trained under 61.55, you may log SIC time. In either case, you need a 61.55 checkout at the very least. No, you don't need to be SIC "typed" (which is nothing more than a training endorsement anyway) to fly domestically. If you do this, you can log SIC time for any time you're serving as a required crewmember just like 61.51 says. This, of course, is all under the assumption that it's strictly Part 91. -mini __________________ McDonalds won't have me. AT&T Wireless won't acknowledge my resume. ...there has to be something out there for me. No, I'm not joking.